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erionracer

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I currently have a (6in) V.lion and (1ft.) brown banded shark housed together. Somtimes when the sharks swims around by the lionfish, the lion lunches at him as if he is trying to bite him, of course i know the lion does not have teeth. He does not try to poke the shark with his top spines just the lunches...So should I be worried about the lions action towards the shark :notsure:
 

aw2x3

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You should be worried, yes. Just because the shark isn't as big as the Lion, doesn't mean the Lion wont try to eat it.
 

sharkboy13

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i think th sharks bigger then the lion, and i too would be worried as lions have eyes larger then their stomachs
 
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shark bait

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What are you feedong the lion, how often and what size is the tank. This will be the factors that will let us know what to do here.
 
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erionracer

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Originally Posted by psusocr1
hwo big of a tank that they are always near each other?
I currently have them in a 220 until I get my 300+ gallon tank this summer. My shark is very active, he likes to swim around alot...Maybe this is a lil to much action for the lionfish...don't know. I also over estimated my lion size he's more like 4.5in instead of 6
 
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erionracer

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Originally Posted by shark bait
What are you feedong the lion, how often and what size is the tank. This will be the factors that will let us know what to do here.

I feed them krill, silversides, squid, clam, shrimp, shark steaks, scallops(all frozen of course). I feed him every other day along with the shark.
 

psusocr1

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i wouldnt be worried if thy are in a 220 .. i have a big shark with two very large lionfish and they are jsut fine!
 
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shark bait

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Thanks for the reply. It helped with my conclusion.
Well that is no major cause for alarm. As far as feeding do not over feed the lion in any one given feeding. In the wild they eat untill they cant because of the lack of food. Or more like difficulties geting food. AS for the shark it is best to go a few days in between feeding and feed at lights out. This is a good way to keep his feeding habit close to what it is in the wild. Over feeding the shark is not bad but can lead to some health issues and cause the shark to grow faster than on might want in a 220g tank. A very good way to also keep the growth down it to slow down the metabilosim by lowering the water temp in the low 74* ballpark. This will not hurt the lion, but help the shark. This also will help with water quality as less food= less waste= fewer spikes and water changes.
All in all the lion is just showing normal behavior and may just be showing the shark " He look i'm here stay away."
 

psusocr1

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sharkbait,, although you are right and many people do suggest to egt a shark to grow less they lower the temp to slow the metabolism..
but how would you like it if someone did that to you.. they didnt want you to grow to quick and be hapy and healthy so someone ade you live in unaturaly cold conditions so you wouldnt eat as much..
im not attacking you, alot of people do siggest this and it does work but it just isnt right to me.. just expressing my opinions ont he matter..
always rememeber a happy healthy shark has the perfect temp, a big tank, alot of food, and proper tankmates!
 

jon321

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Just to throw it out there, my lion 'lunges' at other fish once in a while. I think its territoriality as it seems to defend "its nook" from "invaders". Mabe if there isnt alot of rockwork lions feel a need to defend their home?
Jon
 
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shark bait

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Originally Posted by psusocr1
sharkbait,, although you are right and many people do suggest to egt a shark to grow less they lower the temp to slow the metabolism..
but how would you like it if someone did that to you.. they didnt want you to grow to quick and be hapy and healthy so someone ade you live in unaturaly cold conditions so you wouldnt eat as much..
im not attacking you, alot of people do siggest this and it does work but it just isnt right to me.. just expressing my opinions ont he matter..
always rememeber a happy healthy shark has the perfect temp, a big tank, alot of food, and proper tankmates!

I get the point, however every study I have read about the growth rate of captive care sharks show faster growth rate than in the wild. This is due to two factor food and water temp. While many of the tropical sharks will go from temps of 64-90* durring the season and the level of the tidal flat keeping a tank in the 74 range is no means cold. While I can see the point you make, and public or large private tank that has sharks will stay on the colder end as this is the temp most sharks are in year round. Summer is only 1/4 the year. To really get the best you would need to have a year round program that was computer programed to mimic the temp the shark may be found in the wild. Thus lower in the winter and higher in the summer. But in that regard one might then bring up further findings that most tropical sharks move from one location to the next in the seasons in part due to food migration, water temp and also the age of the shark. As we have found as a shark grows in age and as it's teeth grow more to a molar form, it will move from the rock( colder water area) out into the open sand beds in search of food at night.
I could go on about this, but i have found your post to be very good and I respect any fellow shark keepers input. But this tank will allow him some good years with the shark, but at some point it might need to be moved, and the one way to keep the shark in it longer is the above.
On another subject
Here is a CA Hammer head that some A hole got on a trip to catalina. He thought he could just put it in a 100 gal and keep it. The LFS Gave him my # and now I am looking to do something with him. I can only house him up to 6 month as he can grow over 3 in a month and is a very active swimer. I have been on the horn with locals and It is at this point a bad idea to put him back as he has been in a tank with other fish and can bring any said illness back in to the enviroment. He is 14" and eats like a champ. Birch so far is the only place that is willing to take him but at this time has no room UCSD has a good set up and I would be happy with him their.


 
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erionracer

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Originally Posted by shark bait
Thanks for the reply. It helped with my conclusion.
Well that is no major cause for alarm. As far as feeding do not over feed the lion in any one given feeding. In the wild they eat untill they cant because of the lack of food. Or more like difficulties geting food. AS for the shark it is best to go a few days in between feeding and feed at lights out. This is a good way to keep his feeding habit close to what it is in the wild. Over feeding the shark is not bad but can lead to some health issues and cause the shark to grow faster than on might want in a 220g tank. A very good way to also keep the growth down it to slow down the metabilosim by lowering the water temp in the low 74* ballpark. This will not hurt the lion, but help the shark. This also will help with water quality as less food= less waste= fewer spikes and water changes.
All in all the lion is just showing normal behavior and may just be showing the shark " He look i'm here stay away."

Ok I understand your temp change but feeding will be an issue. With my work schedule and waiting to feed him like you suggested he will only be able to eat every 4 days instead of 2 like you suggested. Like I mention aboved I feed him evey other day. I guess I could cut back on the amount. What's your thought on this situation?
 

psusocr1

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sharkbait,
thats always a bad situation and i hope you cvan find him a good home as he will be a monster as you know before you blink an eye!
arionracer
i feed my shark every three days, i noticed every two days he doesnt really want to eat much and every 4 days , well by the thiurd days he does noithign but swim the tank looking for food..thus every third day works for him..
what im trying to say is feel it out with your shark..just rememeber not to overfeed when you do feed him. some people think they can let a sharkor ray go 4 days withotu food and then compensate by feeding him as much as he can handle but they dont remember sharks will NOT stop eating as in the wild they never know when it will be their last mean and how much onger they have to wait for more food so they will fill themselves until they will actually get sick
 
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shark bait

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Try to get a good feeding in like we said above 4 days is to long and sharks will get goiter if you do not feed them right.
 
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