Snail ID

interex216

Member
Keep finding these little buggers in my tank. I believe there Pyramid snails but not 100% sure, and if they are should i leave em in the tank or keep feeding em to my brakish puffer. In my lil 12g nano, where i keep finding them, i have 2 Nassarius Snail that i purchased here 2 weeks ago and 2 (up til recently.. one died mysteriously) Turbo/Astrea Snail. The turbo that died had just finished releasing eggs a week ago. i'd love to post a better, not so blurry pic but my camera hates me.

 
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tizzo

Guest
Where did you find them?
Here's a clearer pic of pyramids...
 
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tizzo

Guest
If you found them on the glassand rockwork, and you don't see any on your snails, them my guess is baby ceriths. They look very much alike, where you find them is the determining factor.
Look closely at your snails, do you see any attached to their underside? The side facing the glass.
Have you ever had a clam?
Have you LOST a clam?
 

interex216

Member
I've lost a snail and a cleaner clam, been finding em for 3 weeks to a month and check everyday now since i lost the cleaner. but still recently lost my turbo all my levels check out and only thing a little off was nitrites. surely that didnt kill em while the others perfectly healthy. unless theres a "prolonged" death from the pyramid snails?
Oh and tank only 5 months old. hubbie got it for me for valentines. expensive hobbie...
 
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tizzo

Guest
No, all my snails had yramids, but I don't think it actually killed them. they came in on a crocea clam that they killed.

Try to google image baby ceriths, and also pyramids.
Yours look like baby ceriths to me though.

Buy a couple snails and see if they try to attach to it.
Either way, catching them all will be nearly impossible.
 
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tizzo

Guest
The larger one in the pic... is it tan in color? That would help since pyramids are pure white.
If it's tan it's a cerith.
If it's white, then here's what I'm thinking...
The cerith and the pyramid are just about identical. Keeping the ceriths will not really benefit your tank at all, so no matter what they are, it wouldn't hurt to eradicate them.
 

interex216

Member
After 2 days of checking and rechecking......... it seems i have both...
Found 4 small tan ones and 1 slightly bigger white one, so unless the pyramids are slightly tan til they're "adult" im got tons of work trying to eraticate em from my tank. Oh and Both types are attacking my snails.
 
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tizzo

Guest
Here is way to much info if you want it. Also described is how to tell the difference between the two.
For many aquarists the appearance in their systems of tiny white to tan snails, much smaller than a rice grain, is a cause for concern. This concern is definitely warranted as some of these species of tiny snails are in large group of very small snails called the Pyramidellidae. Pyramidellids, also called pyrams, are shelled opisthobranch snails that are typically ectoparasitic on some other animal. The appearance of pyrams generally foretells either a series of losses for the aquarist or some very hard work spent eradicating the pests. These little snails will seek out their hosts, either larger snails, tridacnid clams, or even feather duster worms. The snails will attach to the host where they can conveniently reach the soft tissues and then proceed to dine on the blood of their host. One or two small parasitic snails on large clam cause an insignificant amount of damage and does not constitute a serious problem for a clam or snail. In the closed confines of the reef tank, however, one or two of these pests can soon reproduce many hundreds of offspring, and the snail populations can reach sufficiently high numbers to kill their hosts. These pests have to be manually removed, and with diligence they may be eradicated from a system. The eradication effort may take time, effort, and a lot of work.
The major confounding factor is the common presence in many reef tanks of some other small snails quite similar in appearance to the parasitic pyrams. These small animals, in the gastropod group called the Rissoidae are quite beneficial; they feed on microalgae or small detritus particles. While it is necessary for a hobbyist to remove the problem snails, it is much to the same hobbyist’s benefit to leave the rissoids alone. Additionally, if the system is populated with rissoids, it is no cause for concern. Consequently, hobbyists can save themselves a lot of time and trouble if they can differentiate between these two types of animals.
Conditions and Definitions:
A pyramidellid is defined, for the purposes of this article, as a snail in the huge taxonomic group referred to as the family Pyramidellidae; (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7). Pyramidellids are members of one of several lineages of shelled opisthobranchs, a group that also includes sea slugs and nudibranchs. Pyrams are rather odd little beasties, and that oddity is reflected in their shells. All snails pass through a larval stage referred to as “a veliger.” Veligers have a small coiled shell consisting of one to two whorls and a large ciliated structure called a “velum” used both in locomotion and to capture prey. The veliger or larval shell is often relatively plain and simple; however, when the animal has completed its larval existence, the shell shape often changes. As the larval shell remains connected any subsequent shell produced by the animal, those shell changes can be easily seen, provided the larval shell has not been eroded or broken off. One characteristic that sets pyrams apart from most other snails, including the rissoids is that when they pass from the larval stage into the juvenile stage, they reverse the direction of the coiling of the shell. This results in the larval shell being turned at a right angle to all subsequent shell whorls. The fancy term for such a change in the shell orientation is heterostrophism, and consequently, pyrams are said to have heterostrophic shells. Pyrams also lack the operculum found in many, but not all, other shelled snails. This operculum is a “trapdoor” that plugs the opening, or aperture, of the shell. Finally, their shell aperture is ovoid and on its inside edge, the calcareous shell material forms a “fold” of unknown function.
Rissoids (Rissoidea in the larger sense, and the subfamilies of the Family Rissoidae, the Subfamily Rissoinae and the Subfamily Rissoininae in the more precise sense) are similar to the pyrams in general size and color. Rissoids differ from the pyrams in that they lack the heterostrophic shell coiling, they possess a proteinaceous operculum and the inner edge of their shell apertures are smooth, and lacking any hint of a fold in the calcareous shell material. Any one of these three characters will always separate Pyrams from Rissoids. Both groups are in a state of either taxonomic flux (Rissoids) or sheer, utter, chaos (Pyrams). Consequently, identifying individuals in either group to a lower taxonomic level, such as species or even genus, will likely be very difficult or impossible. Nevertheless, with a bit of work, a good magnifying implement, and some luck, it is easy to distinguish between animals from the two groups.
 
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