Snakes vitamin C dosing thread

snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Last night, march 13th around 9pm I dosed 500mg vitamin C into 25g of water volume in my SPS dominate reef.
I plan to dose the same every day for two weeks and increase the dosage as needed.
Process to follow.
 
gemmy

gemmy

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What is the purpose or goal of this? Why have you decided at this point in time to do this?
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Process:
Crush 500mg tablet and put directly in tank every night.
Increase 500mg every two weeks to see any visible improvements in color, growth and health of fish, corals and other live stock.
After a period of weeks and maxing out at 5000mg per day, if no visible improvements or clarity of water or water parameter changes, the dose will come down to zero.
Program will continue for 20 weeks until max, and then decrease or continue as necessary.
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Do you know why vitamin C would be a benefit to our tanks? Why the corals would need it?
I'm just being a devil's advocate for anyone reading this thread.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Vitamin c is often present in new salt water and is quickly used thereafter. There have been documented benefits of adding vitamin c supplements to fish food (IE Selcon) to have reasonable health benefits. I saw, years ago where some aquarists were experimenting with it with some success. I just wanted to experiment tO see if I could see any visible signs of health improvement or coloration.
Bang, you asked how will I know and to tell yah the truth, I don't. Lol. When I get up to the 5000mg mark per 25g of water, if I see improvements then I will continue increasing the dose. If I see degradation of water quality or a decrease in overall health, I will decrease the dose.
In humans, an intravenous drip of 50,000 to 100,000 mg of vitamin c a day has been documented to reverse and potentially cure cancer. So we will see.
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390982/snakes-vitamin-c-dosing-thread#post_3465268
Vitamin c is often present in new salt water and is quickly used thereafter. There have been documented benefits of adding vitamin c supplements to fish food (IE Selcon) to have reasonable health benefits. I saw, years ago where some aquarists were experimenting with it with some success. I just wanted to experiment tO see if I could see any visible signs of health improvement or coloration.
Bang, you asked how will I know and to tell yah the truth, I don't. Lol. When I get up to the 5000mg mark per 25g of water, if I see improvements then I will continue increasing the dose. If I see degradation of water quality or a decrease in overall health, I will decrease the dose.
In humans, an intravenous drip of 50,000 to 100,000 mg of vitamin c a day has been documented to reverse and potentially cure cancer. So we will see.
Thanks for the info.
 
kiefers

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390982/snakes-vitamin-c-dosing-thread#post_3465268
Vitamin c is often present in new salt water and is quickly used thereafter. There have been documented benefits of adding vitamin c supplements to fish food (IE Selcon) to have reasonable health benefits. I saw, years ago where some aquarists were experimenting with it with some success. I just wanted to experiment tO see if I could see any visible signs of health improvement or coloration.
Bang, you asked how will I know and to tell yah the truth, I don't. Lol. When I get up to the 5000mg mark per 25g of water, if I see improvements then I will continue increasing the dose. If I see degradation of water quality or a decrease in overall health, I will decrease the dose.
In humans, an intravenous drip of 50,000 to 100,000 mg of vitamin c a day has been documented to reverse and potentially cure cancer. So we will see.
Okay, I'll bite. I would very much like to see this study on the vit. C drip. As a nurse with a big background in biology, this would be good reading. However, I don't buy it and in EVERY case study I have read, and I have read alot, there is no way the nephrons in our kidney can handle such the load of C being flushed through them. As I am sure you are aware, our bodies does not make it's own vit. C, therefore we supplement through foods like fruits, veggies and vitamins and so forth, the interesting things is our bodies do not store the vitamin C, like it does with lipids or amino's it merely uses what it can and flushes the rest unused C through the nephrons in our kidney and we urinate it out. Our bodies can not handle 50,000 or 100,000 Mg's daily and this way exceeds the total daily value of what is recommended. This would surely cause more damage than good. Be careful in what you post Seth, there are very impressionable folks out there that will try anything.
High doses of vitamin C have been associated with multiple adverse effects. These include kidney stones, severe diarrhea, nausea, and gastritis. Rarely, flushing, faintness, dizziness, and fatigue have been noted. In cases of toxicity due to massive ingestions of vitamin C, forced fluids, and diuresis could be beneficial. In postmenopausal women with diabetes, supplemental vitamin C in doses greater than 300 milligrams daily has been associated with increased risk of heart-related death.
As for your statement above with the cancer patients, it should be used cautiously in patients with cancer, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency, anemia and related conditions, kidney stones, or sickle cell disease, or after angioplasty. Should be use cautiously in patients taking antibiotics, anticancer agents, HIV medications, barbiturates, estrogens, fluphenazine, or iron supplements. Use parenteral (injected) vitamin C cautiously, as it may cause dizziness, faintness, or injection site discomfort, and in high doses, it may lead to renal insufficiency (kidney function problems).
I understand that you just read what you posted as a case study, but please use caution in what you post.
As for the tank dosing, very interesting reading to be sure, nonetheless, you were rather vague on the method. Do you simply crush the pills and throw them into your tank?
By the way, I didn't get the chance to congratulate you and your wife of the new member! CONGRATS Dad
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Thankyou for joining the thread kiefers.
For those people reading this thread, I'm not a medical doctor and hope that if you have some kind of severe medical condition, please seek medical help from an educated medical staff at an emergency room or other medical clinic immediately. Thank you.
I am merely presenting information as it was given to me in an alternative health documentary "Food Matters." if you have questions about this, please watch the film.
Now back to the thread.
Crush a tablet into fine powder. Add to return pump section. Slightly stir until dissolved.
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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Other ways to add vitamin c would be by using a powdered form usually sold as Sodium Ascorbate or Calcium Ascorbate. This why you can vary you input by pretty much any value. I personally use the calcium variety since my corals use up the calcium and I already add plenty of extra sodium with my other supplements like baking soda and sodium silicate.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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I am going to do some pH value tests to see if there is any effect on pH.
pH testing process:
API test kit : pH test
Time of day: end of light cycle, between 9pm and 10pm central standard.
I will test pH value before administering the dosage and then one hour later and record the values, once at the end of every dosing cycle. Ie, at the end of every two weeks.
Accidents/dose skipping process:
I know that I am going to miss a dose every now and then. It's inevitable. I'm a new parent and I'm tired. So, this is how I will handle dose skipping:
1. Continue on with the next days dose, not going to compensate. Missing a dose will be recorded and logged in this thread.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Supplement I am using:
CVS brand Vitamin C in 500mg tablets
Ingredients:
Ascorbic acid
Other ingredients:
Silica
Vegetable magnesium
sterols
I don't think the silica will be an issue.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Dosing chart,.... To be edited and amended as the experiment continues. Date. Dose. pH. Other parameters Notes/comments 03-13 500mg. - No3-0,po4-0. Starting date 03-14. 500mg. - - No visible improvement 03-15. 500mg. - - Indescernable
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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A few days before the experiment, I moved my purple smoke monti cap into another location for better water flow. Today, it is starting to color up more. Not sure if it is coincidence.
I started dripping kalkwasser in all of my top off water about four days before the experiment.
My montipora spongodes that I thought was completely dead is starting to show some green colorations here and there. Clinging on to life. Still though, not sure if it has anything to do with the experiment.
 
geoj

geoj

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What are you going to do or say when people claim you invalidated the test you are doing by changing more then one thing?
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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These changes were made prior to the experiment. The experiment will last a total of 20 weeks and at that time I will either continue or decrease the amount dosed. The amount of time for this experiment to complete will be a factor in any decision. No other changes will be made.
I guess I will also note here that I use instant ocean salt and have not done a water change since January of 2012.
I will be doing another 50% water change in June.
 
kiefers

kiefers

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So, how do you calculate the dosage amount for your tank? If I calculated the gross gallons of my tank (total gross gallons) and deducted 15% (because of the live rock displacement).
So for the first day, lets say 5ppm. Personally I believe you can overdose the tank if you start out with 50ppm or higher.
So, my 56 times 5ppm is 280mg so round that off to 300mg.
What are your methods snake? Still kinda vague? Unlike your other posting which were more detailed (IMO) I could be wrong, but just out of couriosity, why for are you not checking your pH on your chart? Can't the biocarbinates in the pills lower the pH in the tank?
 
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