So you thought phone tapping terrorists were bad?

stdreb27

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html
"the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls."
 
uneverno

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As Bush was no Conservative, Obama is no Liberal.
Both are willing and active participants in the same system which wishes to dismantle the Constitution.
 
reefraff

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I believe what is being argued in this specific case is perfectly legal. They tracked phone usage at a specific time in an area. It isn't like they were listening into the conversations. Damn good police work if you ask me. Just like if you get a hit on the number of a known terrorist overseas.
 
beaslbob

beaslbob

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over 20 years ago the supreme court ruled that wireless phones did require wire tap warrants. some of the same arguments were made then as now.
Now if the president is collecting intelligence as commander in chief in the conduct or war and on the battlefield, no warrant is needed ever. He can listen into any conversation over any device anywhere to collect that intelligence.
my .02
 
darthtang aw

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The way I understand it is, they aren't listening in but pinging the phone to see where it is located. Or have I missed something?
 
reefraff

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I believe they pulled phone company records for calls made from towers in certain areas at certain times. As long as they aren't listening to conversations I am not seeing the big deal here as long as they get a warrant to get the person's name associated with the numbers. Not ever sure if they need the warrant for that.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3227219
I believe they pulled phone company records for calls made from towers in certain areas at certain times. As long as they aren't listening to conversations I am not seeing the big deal here as long as they get a warrant to get the person's name associated with the numbers. Not ever sure if they need the warrant for that.
True, the police have pulled call logs but these are not listened to or recorded. It just states a time the call was placed and to what number.
Either way, they are not listening in on a private conversation....
 
beaslbob

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From what I understand the intelligence communities are actually listening to the phone conversations.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by beaslbob
http:///forum/post/3227275
From what I understand the intelligence communities are actually listening to the phone conversations.
They do listen in if you call or are called by an overseas number tied to a known terrorist. If during that call you admitted to killing Jimmy Hoffa they couldn't use it against you unless you did it as an act of terrorism.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3227338
They do listen in if you call or are called by an overseas number tied to a known terrorist. If during that call you admitted to killing Jimmy Hoffa they couldn't use it against you unless you did it as an act of terrorism.
I'm sure that Jimmy Hoffa was "terrified" as concrete was curing around his ankles.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3227349
Wow! Are you guys actually defending the Obama administration's support of the Patriot Act?

I will. I also applaud the fact that he allowed the SEALs to blow the brains out of some Somali pirates. I give him a 98% disapproval rating. The other 2% I'm cool with.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3227349
Wow! Are you guys actually defending the Obama administration's support of the Patriot Act?


Yes, I also support his troop increase in afghanistan. But his batting average still sucks.................
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3227668
Yes, I also support his troop increase in afghanistan. But his batting average still sucks.................
I wouldn't go that far. I don't support sending troops somewhere if he isn't comfortable with using the term victory...
Why send people over there, unless you know we can kick some tail, make it work, then go home...
The simple fact is the Obama administration is arguing that it is ok to find out where you are using government required GPS put into your phone (which last time I checked they still hadn't equipped the majority of the 911 call centers with the technology to utilize it.) Domestic US citizens, without a warrant... But Bush wiretapping international phone calls is worth months and months of feigned outrage...
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3227338
They do listen in if you call or are called by an overseas number tied to a known terrorist. If during that call you admitted to killing Jimmy Hoffa they couldn't use it against you unless you did it as an act of terrorism.
What about a few months ago when it became known they where tapping and listening to the phone calls made by our service members overseas? I don't remember the exact specifics though I doubt they where overseas numbers tied to known terrorists.
Fishtaco
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3227833
What about a few months ago when it became known they where tapping and listening to the phone calls made by our service members overseas? I don't remember the exact specifics though I doubt they where overseas numbers tied to known terrorists.
Fishtaco
That makes a little more sense, the military owns them...
 
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