Some form of Algae?

moogie

New Member
I am having problems with algae accumulating on my powerheads and glass. I can use a glass magnet and clean the glass and it starts to appear again in 2 days. It is on my rock and even on the crab shells. My sand is good because I have a diamond back gobie that does a good job.
Does anyone have any ideas what this is and how to control it?
I use distilled water and do a partial water change every 3 weeks.
 

natclanwy

Active Member
Have you tested your tank parameters? Looking for Nitrate, Ammonia, Phosphate if so would you please post the results.
Rapid algae growth is usually do to a surplus of nutrients in the water from overfeeding or overstocking.
 

pbnj

Member
Distilled water is a no-no....recipe for excess algae growth. Switch to RO.
Also, my turbo snails do a heck of a job keeping my powerheads clean. A phosphate pad or some other type of phosphate removal media helps alot.
 

spanko

Active Member
Distilled water is a no-no....recipe for excess algae growth.
I would like to see the information you are using to verify this statement. Distilled water is probably even purer than the RODI water. I am confused by your statement.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/2910723
I would like to see the information you are using to verify this statement. Distilled water is probably even purer than the RODI water. I am confused by your statement.
Distilled water may still contains TDS of 1% or less
 

spanko

Active Member
I would still like to see some information on this as I am under the understanding that distilled is pure H2o, ph of 7.0, and no dissolved solids.
 

spanko

Active Member
Thank you for that Veni. Not sure it really addresses the question though.
How about this excerpt from the article The “How To” Guide to Reef Aquarium Chemistry for Beginners,
Part 1: The Salt Water Itself
by Randy Holmes-Farley
Quote;
"What Water to Use to Make Artificial Saltwater?
In addition to using a suitable salt mix, it is important to use suitably pure freshwater, both for making salt mixes and for topping-off for evaporative losses. The majority of experienced and successful reef aquarists in the U.S. appear to use RO/DI (reverse osmosis/deionization) to purify tap water. I also use it. A properly functioning RO/DI filter is always adequate to purify tap water that is otherwise drinkable. Many brands of these filters are available. Choosing one is not trivial, as they can have significant differences and the better units normally cost significantly more than stripped down models. It is beyond the scope of this article to detail all of the important attributes of good RO/DI systems, but they have been covered in previous articles. It is neither necessary nor desirable to add anything to RO/DI water or to any type of freshwater used to make a salt mix (or aquarium top-off to replace evaporation), unless you determine that after adding the salt, the water is deficient in something.
Reverse osmosis (RO) alone may be adequate in some cases, but is clearly not appropriate in others. In particular, if the local water company uses chloramine to disinfect the water, then the effluent from an RO-only system will contain substantial ammonia. If the tap water has copper at the high end of the normally encountered tap water range (> 1 ppm), RO alone may also be inadequate.
The use of tap water itself entails a number of concerns besides the presence of chlorine. First is chloramine, which does not dissipate after sitting around, the way many aquarists have done in the past for chlorine. It is now being added to many water supplies, and is much longer lived than chlorine. It also requires special treatments, not just the standard dechlorinating agents. Other concerns with tap water are copper (which often comes from your home's plumbing), nutrients (nitrate and phosphate) and alkalinity (which is not per se a problem, but can boost levels too high in some cases). In general, I recommend avoiding tap water. Sure, some folks use it and have fine aquaria. That does not, however, prove that any other tap water, even from a neighboring home, is suitable.
The best distilled water is perfect for our applications. Typical commercial distilled water is likely acceptable, as long as it has not been exposed to metals such as copper in condensers, pipes or holding tanks. Unfortunately, it is not easy to know the production history of distilled water, and testing with most copper test kits may be inadequate because they may not accurately read low enough to detect its presence.

Many aquarists use water provided by machines at grocery stores or from their local fish stores. Many of these are apparently reverse osmosis (RO) water. That is, again, likely okay, with the same caveats as for distilled water and RO water and in these cases it is unlikely that the aquarist can determine the proper maintenance of the filtration systems. Sometimes a chemical analysis can be provided by the supplier of such water, but frequently that is not available."
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2910729
Distilled water may still contains TDS of 1% or less
Hey Veni, even though some volitale substances may transfer with the distilling process, there shouldn't be any transfer of solids, as solids are not volitale. Older stills using copper tubing may allow for some transfer of solids. Also, doesn't RO/DI water also have some TDS?
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2910729
Distilled water may still contains TDS of 1% or less
Hey Veni, even though some volitale substances may transfer with the distilling process, there shouldn't be any transfer of solids, as solids are not volitale. Older stills using copper tubing may allow for some transfer of solids. Also, doesn't RO/DI water also have some TDS?
Originally Posted by pbnj

http:///forum/post/2910816
Thanks.
Not to mention your dKH levels can go through the roof with distilled water.
How does distilled water affect dKH?
 

spanko

Active Member
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2910856
Hey Veni, even though some volitale substances may transfer with the distilling process, there shouldn't be any transfer of solids, as solids are not volitale. Older stills using copper tubing may allow for some transfer of solids. Also, doesn't RO/DI water also have some TDS?
You are correct there sir. Plus most new distillation processes have vents in the collectors that vent of the volatiles that do evaporate with the water so very little if any of it ends up in the final product. Also government restrictions have all but eliminated the use of copper tubing as the condenser materials.
 

pbnj

Member
Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2910856
How does distilled water affect dKH?
It all depends on the original source of the water (pre-distillation). Overall hardness is composed of permanent and carbonate hardness (i.e., lime). Both types of hardness can vary according to region and depend upon the geological composition of the soil, since water dissolves certain calcium and magnesium compounds present in stones and rocks.
When hard water is heated in the distilling process, lime deposits form. Permanent hardness cannot be removed by boiling water. It is caused by chlorides and sulfates of calcium and magnesium. Sulphates (salts) are unaffected by heat.
 

spanko

Active Member
Unaffected by heat but not evaporated with the water. These minerals are left behind in the distilling process as only the water and volatiles are evaporated.
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Originally Posted by pbnj
http:///forum/post/2910922
It all depends on the original source of the water (pre-distillation). Overall hardness is composed of permanent and carbonate hardness (i.e., lime). Both types of hardness can vary according to region and depend upon the geological composition of the soil, since water dissolves certain calcium and magnesium compounds present in stones and rocks.
When hard water is heated in the distilling process, lime deposits form. Permanent hardness cannot be removed by boiling water. It is caused by chlorides and sulfates of calcium and magnesium. Sulphates (salts) are unaffected by heat.
Understand that salts are not affected by heat, but they also don't evaporate. Since heating water is evaporating, the salts should be left behind in the heating chamber. If this wasn't true, distillation of ocean water would not result in purified water which is potable
.
 

pbnj

Member
Come to think of it, I think I failed chemistry in high school.

I just remember reading a few cases of people saying their dKH levels were way high using distilled water. I know another way for distillation of water is freezing, which is supposedly less effective. Maybe that was the process used in these cases.
 

moogie

New Member
Ok here are my levels
SG 1.024
PH 7.8
Alkalinity 180
Nitrate 0
Nitrite 0
Calcium 460
Phosphate 0.25
Any ideas?
 

natclanwy

Active Member
The phosphate is definetely part of the source since your have measureable levels. How much and often are you doing water changes? You may need to step up the interval or increase the amount you change when you do. If you are feeding frozen food you should thaw and rinse the food if you can before you add it to the tank. Also evaluate your feeding practices and be sure you aren't overfeeding.
 
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