Stimulus dollars at work

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theclemsonkid

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Originally Posted by JTT
http:///forum/post/3298822
$144,451 spent to study the effects of cocaine on monkeys.
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/06/...-the-taxpayer/
How is this supposed to save or create jobs? Reduce national debt? Or "stimulate the economy"?
And had you bothered to actually look at the study, you would find that the study was done in part to help aid the recovering process of cocaine addicts who are trying to stay sober (by testing different recovery methods), and the effects of several experimental drugs that will hopefully one day be used in detox programs.
So if $144, 451 can help aid a multi billion dollar problem in America, I think most people would be all for it...
Just like the $1.2 million for research how elderly people react to playing video games that people like to say is "wasting". What they don't say, is that the study os being done to help those with late stage Alzhiemers live better and more productive lives towards the end...
 
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You can try to justify the need for such studies, the point he is making is do these things create jobs? That was the point of the stimulus.
 
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The stated goals of the stimulus package was to stimulate the economy/lower unemployment.
 
theclemsonkid

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3298875
You can try to justify the need for such studies, the point he is making is do these things create jobs? That was the point of the stimulus.
Of course they create jobs.
But that's not the point he was trying to make. He just wanted to find the most outlandish sounding thing he could and cite that as an example. I'm not trying to pick on him specifically, but this is how things get "politicized", when no one ever fully states something. Only what makes their particular point sound best.
And yes, that's very much done on both sides of the aisle.
 
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Originally Posted by Slice
http:///forum/post/3298877
The stated goals of the stimulus package was to stimulate the economy/lower unemployment.
Ok fine. In that specific instance, let's say that the rat and cocaine study comes up with some awesome way to treat someone in rehab. What would happen? 50 new cocaine rehab clinics across the country open, with 25 employees at each location. You'd also have to hire contractors, architects and construction to build said centers. Then you would have local places that would provide everything from toilet paper to vending machines, lab material to medical supplies...
Would that be considered "job creation"?
 
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3298879
Of course they create jobs.
But that's not the point he was trying to make. He just wanted to find the most outlandish sounding thing he could and cite that as an example. I'm not trying to pick on him specifically, but this is how things get "politicized", when no one ever fully states something. Only what makes their particular point sound best.
And yes, that's very much done on both sides of the aisle.
You really think studies create jobs? Only way that will happen is if there is a steady flow of money coming in for more studies. Goverment spending to create jobs is only effective on large scale projects that will employ lots of people for an extended period of time. I remember one mentioned project that has been discussed for a long time is a interstate running down the east coast. You are now talking thousands of jobs that would last years, plus the jobs created to support all that work. Don't believe that was made part of the spenduless.
One of the most lame parts of this was the big ol propaganda signs required for the projects created. There is a lane addition to the interstate here and they had to put up big ol sign at the bigenning and end of the construction zone touting our stimulus dollars at work. How stupid is that? Those signs cost a few thousand each to make and set up. It isn't like the C DOT is going to have to hire more people to make them, it's just spending more money on the supplies.
 
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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3298913
Clemson, this is NOT a republican talking here.... you're a jackass.
And whay do you say that? Because he disagrees with the premise of the thread? So if someone disagrees with your political views, they're a jackass? You're statement sure sounds like it came from a Republican.
 
jtt

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3298875
You can try to justify the need for such studies, the point he is making is do these things create jobs? That was the point of the stimulus.
Precisely. This study isbbeing done by people who already have the jobs as researchers. If the govt wants to work on drug rehab by giving cocaine to monkeys, fine. But to say that this $144,541 is going to save/create jobs is total crap.
There's another one on the summertime blues that states they spent 700k+ for one professor to "study" improvised music by "jamming" with other musicians. That's a killer opportunity for the one guy who already has a job and is benefitting from it. But to say that the money spent is going to significantly save/create jobs is bull... Oni
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3298916
And whay do you say that? Because he disagrees with the premise of the thread? So if someone disagrees with your political views, they're a jackass? You're statement sure sounds like it came from a Republican.

Haha good one! :)
No, he's just a jackass. Pretty much everything he posts is to stir the pot and it's all vain... almost like we're all puppets in his sick little online game. Argumentative and ignorant people are jackasses in my opinion. And I'm calling him out. He's just a kid so I shouldn't get riled up about it, but sometimes the stupidity in this nation is confounding. TheClemsonKid is a good example.
 
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3298879
But that's not the point he was trying to make. He just wanted to find the most outlandish sounding thing he could and cite that as an example. I'm not trying to pick on him specifically, but this is how things get "politicized", when no one ever fully states something. Only what makes their particular point sound best.
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Ouch.
Yearofthenick +1 quite the jackass indeed.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3298921
Haha good one! :)
No, he's just a jackass. Pretty much everything he posts is to stir the pot and it's all vain... almost like we're all puppets in his sick little online game. Argumentative and ignorant people are jackasses in my opinion. And I'm calling him out. He's just a kid so I shouldn't get riled up about it, but sometimes the stupidity in this nation is confounding. TheClemsonKid is a good example.
Please. Half the people on this forum 'stir the pot' on a daily basis. What do you call this thread? You don't think JTT created this thread just to be informative? Reading what Clemson posted on this thread, he's made some valid points. You apparently think otherwise, and I suppose if Nick disagrees, then the lemmings need to fall in line and diasgree as well.
As far as studies go, there's been useless government funded studies for decades that have been shown to be a waste of money. The one's JTT is referencing are just making news because they used some of this stimulus money that Obama earmarked. This is nothing more than media fodder that the typical Conservative or Tea Party group wants to use to trash Obama yet again. Go do some research and see what kind of ridiculous government funded studies were done when Bush was in office for 8 years. Then compare those amounts to the one's listed in this article, and tell me if there's any difference.
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3298928
As far as studies go, there's been useless government funded studies for decades that have been shown to be a waste of money. The one's JTT is referencing are just making news because they used some of this stimulus money that Obama earmarked. This is nothing more than media fodder that the typical Conservative or Tea Party group wants to use to trash Obama yet again. Go do some research and see what kind of ridiculous government funded studies were done when Bush was in office for 8 years. Then compare those amounts to the one's listed in this article, and tell me if there's any difference.
You're right. This type of bait-and-switch has gone on for decades, so there really should not be any outcry to stop it now.[/sarcasm]
I think folks are finally fed up. Take this waste, at a time when we can least afford it, add it to the ideology of the policies being rammed down our throat, and finally, FINALLY, people start to notice and become outraged.
 
jtt

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$300k of stimulus money is going to meterologists to study what the weather is like on other planets. If Clem can give an excuse for the govt using stimulus money for drug rehab, and a stretch to the possibility of future jobs if the planets line up and they discover a cure for cocaine abuse in monkeys, id like to hear how $300k spent for meteorologists to keep up how sunny it is on Venus stimulates the economy and creates jobs
 
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