Sump help???

hawkfish203

Member
I am trying to run a 35g sump and had a few questions. First question is the sump I was looking at had three bays in the first bay is that were I would put the skimmer? The second some sand, rock and plants? and third is the return pump? Also is the water coming from the tank to the sump gravity fed? Lastly would I need one of those overflow boxes because its not plumbed for it??? Thanks for any help!
 

king_neptune

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First bay yes, your skimmer. You measure the bay size, and choose an appropriate skimmer for it.
This isn't mandatory, but a lot of people do it this way.
Second chamber, would be a nice fuge section. I recommend LR and plants, leave sand out of it unless you want to get complicated and start doing things like LS/Mud/DSB ect.
A simple easy to do method is using golf ball to fist sized pieces of live rock, or base rock that will eventually become live inside this section. Toss in a few crabs and snails, and it will work pretty nice.
You can also do just plants, and cheap light over it.
Or a mix of both macro algae/LR.
By keeping this bare bottom you will have detritus buildup over time. It will be a gray layer at the bottom. Since its bare, it will be easy to vacuum up every few months when doing your WC. If you have LS, your buildup will be significantly less, but you wont be able to suck out the excess. Then you have to turn to sand sifters to do the work.
AS you can see, you have lots of options, nothing is absolute. You can get really creative and do just about anything you want. Lots of possibilities. I just named off a couple quick ones, that Ive personally used and like.
The third chamber is the return pump area, this is where you will do your water topoffs(make sure your only doing freshwater, since salt stays in the system).
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Moving on to the next set of questions:
Water coming from the tank is gravity fed. Basically your return pump pushes water up top, then it overflows, and falls back down. Best method is the overflow box. Go to glassholes dat com and check them out. They sell overflow kits and have easy to follow instructions. It involves drilling your hole in the side of your tank, and placing a bulkhead and overflow box over it. Drilling glass is actually really easy if you do your research first, and watch videos. Its cake.
Good luck. Welcome to SW. Go reef or go home^_^
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Is the sump already predrilled for bulkheads to run an external pump or is it setup to use a submersible pump?
 

hawkfish203

Member
Submersible...and im not so sure about all this drilling the glass thing isn't there anyway around it. I've seen people drill glass before but the tank is pretty large and heavy to move around and plus id have to drain it and what not. Thanks King for all the great info!!!
 

acrylic51

Active Member
I'd check out melevsreef dot com for a good explanation of sump setup.....Depending how it's built designed the middle chamber should actually be your return area.....Skimmer the first section, return middle, and fuge on the other end.....That would be the most affective way to set it up.
 

hawkfish203

Member
Im new to this but wouldnt it make sense that the water flow from one end to the other in order for it to flow threw the live rock and algae. Just a observation I could be totally wrong
I will def check out that site thanks. Any other input on the overflow boxes or what lvl???
 

acrylic51

Active Member
It would appear obvious, but when you check out the site, and read the material it will explain the theory and make more sense, than I could ever explain......Trust me a very imformative site you'll check out many more times!!!!!!!
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by acrylic51
http:///forum/post/3296664
It would appear obvious, but when you check out the site, and read the material it will explain the theory and make more sense, than I could ever explain......Trust me a very imformative site you'll check out many more times!!!!!!!
+1...great site for researching sumps and the do's and dont's about setting one up.
This is the kind of design that Acrylic51 is talking about. Skimmer chamber on the left, fuge on the right and both will drain into the middle, return section. This way both the skimmer and fuge chambers get fed the dirtiest water possible. It's good for the skimmer because it will pull alot of crud like you want it to and it's good for the fuge because your macro's and pods (if you breed them) will have plenty of food to thrive.
If you had one drain you could split it to feed both sides...or if you had two drain lines you could run each one to each side...or run both to one side and split one of them to feed the fuge (like I'm gonna do on my new setup). It's all upto to whatever you wanna do.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Basically the ideal reason is this:

Water can drain to each side, and be independently controlled for separate flow. Thus effectively doubling your flow through the return chamber, allowing more turnover in the DT w/out compromising the slow moving water of your sump.
Also lets you have a a degree of customization that might not have been available to you earlier. However your sump is kinda small, the one in my pic is my 55g I got from CL for $20. I spent $20 on silicone, and $20 on glass sheets.
Pretty much $60 and I have a sweet sump!
 

hawkfish203

Member
I didn't get one yet so any suggestions will be def be helpful. The local LFS said that a 35 would be good so thats what I was going off. Is there any suggestions on a good site to get one? Where would I put the carbon in this in the fuge? And can you run the fuge in the right side on any sump or do I have to get a specific sump made for that? Thanks again for all the help guys I owe ya!!!
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by HAWKFISH203
http:///forum/post/3296835
I didn't get one yet so any suggestions will be def be helpful. The local LFS said that a 35 would be good so thats what I was going off. Is there any suggestions on a good site to get one? Where would I put the carbon in this in the fuge? And can you run the fuge in the right side on any sump or do I have to get a specific sump made for that? Thanks again for all the help guys I owe ya!!!
Depends on the size of the tank, rule of thumb %20. My sump is %40 of my tanks volume.
A good site to get one is Craigslist. Cheap tanks are all over. Carbon can go anywhere. I have a friend who puts socks filled with carbon in his return, drain, fuge. He has half dozen scattered around. Works pretty good too.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Goes as big as you can fit sump wise would be my opinion......Carbon is a good thing, and can be placed anywhere as King stated.....Carbon is utilized best when done in an "active mode" instead of "passive".
 

king_neptune

Active Member
By active he means forcing it through a reactor, or some kind of mechanism that pushes water through the carbon.
Passive is like I described, just throwing in some socks with carbon and letting them soak it up.
Yes, active is far superior to passive. But passive works well if you do it en-mass.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
True passive does/can work, but you can use the carbon more effiecently forcing water through than over and around.
 

hawkfish203

Member
Makes sense ill grab one of those Phosban Reactors. I can still put that in any chamber correct? Ill post some pics when I get this all said and done. Thanks a lot guys
 
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