sump question

zeke92

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got a 18 gallon i'm working on and i was wondering how you get the return and intake the same. if i have the intake run down a tube by gravity and a powerhead take the return back up, how do i make it so where the 5 gal sump doesn't overflow or empty out? how do you make both flows the same is my question.
 

itom37

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The rate at which water enters the sump by siphon or direct overflow should have a range depending on how high the water in the tank is. For example, if you dump a gallon of water in your tank, raising the level, more will overflow, and if the level drops for some reason, the overflow will slow. Ok, so the level of the water is determined by how fast the pump returns it. As long as your return pump is powerful enough to pump water back to the tank faster than the minimum sustainable siphon/overflow you can achieve, you should be good because even if the pump is more powerful than the minimum overflow rate, the extra water in the tank will cause the overflow to increase, compensating. That's the basic principle. A specific system (especially a homemade one) will require some optimization. An adjustable flow pump helps too... a lot.
 

zeke92

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i'm 15..i could barely keep up with what you said. i understood it sorta but still not 100% sure how to do it. could you elaborate in easier terms please
 

matt b

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Originally Posted by zeke92
i'm 15..i could barely keep up with what you said. i understood it sorta but still not 100% sure how to do it. could you elaborate in easier terms please
just make sure the overflow is rated higher then rhe pump. its ok if your overflow is more powerful but if your pumps more powerful your going to have problems
 

zeke92

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wait, if the water going into the sump from the syphon is faster then the powerhead pushing it back up how does the powerhead keep up with the water. i'm so confused...
 

nietzsche

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are you planning on just trying to start a siphon, or are you going to buy a hang on overflow box?
find out what the overflow box is rated for then what you might want to do is put a T after your pump and split it with two hoses, one will go back to your sump, and one will be your return to your tank. make sure to put a ball valve on both lines. if the flow is going in too fast to your display tank you can adjust it with the valves
i forgot to add that if you do it, make sure you leave some room in your sump for the water to drain back into the sump from the DT in case the power goes out... and drill some holes on your return lines a little below the water line so the holes will stop from the back siphoning to happen in case the power does go out
 

matt b

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Originally Posted by zeke92
wait, if the water going into the sump from the syphon is faster then the powerhead pushing it back up how does the powerhead keep up with the water. i'm so confused...
you could do it the way these guys are saying but the easier way is just get a overflow for say 800gph and a pump for 700 gph and then the overflow will only drain as fast as the water being pumped back into the tank so it will level out on its own as long as the pump is rated lower then the overflow
 

zeke92

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Originally Posted by MaTT B
you could do it the way these guys are saying but the easier way is just get a overflow for say 800gph and a pump for 700 gph and then the overflow will only drain as fast as the water being pumped back into the tank so it will level out on its own as long as the pump is rated lower then the overflow
then won't the water from the DT coming into the sump overflow it if the powerhead isn't as strong as the flow coming in? i'm so freaking confused it hurts.
 

matt b

Active Member
Originally Posted by zeke92
ther is no easy way to do this is there...

yes there is. the very 1st tank i ever had i had a sump with a HOB overflow. its really easy just get a overflow rated for more then the pump and trust me it will work even if you dont understand it.
 

matt b

Active Member
Originally Posted by zeke92
i don't know if i can afford an overflow i was just gonna use a syphon with a big tube.
o well then in that case idk maybe try posting in the diy forum
 
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