Sump vs Canister filter?!

[flower]

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Originally Posted by VDtank http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter#post_3521106
Well right for our drinking uses we use local store that sell filter water for 25 cent for a gallon but its not called RO water. I use this type water before on my FW tank.
Do you think I use our drinking water (Filter Water) for the water changes?
Hi,
What you are getting from the local store for 25 cents, is indeed filtered water, Filtered water is Reverse osmosis (RO water). It's just a 4 to 5 stage filter system. You can purchase a filter system for your home. I like the 5 stage....the more filtering the better.
Tap water is straight from the pipes of the water company. RO water is just tap water that has been filtered and cleaned up better. Well water is from a private well, and it depends on what is underground absorbed by the water as to what you will find in it. Spring water is water that is naturally filtered flowing over rocks and such before it reaches you. Well and spring water depends on what is in the environment as to contaminates that might be found in it.

 

[vdtank]

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter/20#post_3521113
Hi,
What you are getting from the local store for 25 cents, is indeed filtered water, Filtered water is Reverse osmosis (RO water). It's just a 4 to 5 stage filter system. You can purchase a filter system for your home. I like the 5 stage....the more filtering the better.
Tap water is straight from the pipes of the water company. RO water is just tap water that has been filtered and cleaned up better. Well water is from a private well, and it depends on what is underground absorbed by the water as to what you will find in it. Spring water is water that is naturally filtered flowing over rocks and such before it reaches you. Well and spring water depends on what is in the environment as to contaminates that might be found in it.
Yeah its filter water here in local store but i don't know what stage they use. Like I said i used this water before when I had FW tank so I'm guessing I could use for my Saltwater

 

[sweatervest13]

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter#post_3520983
LOL...SG stands for Specific Gravity...AKA, Salt level.
The salt mix has all the needed chemical balances to keep SW critters alive. The right PH, Alkalinity, Calcium and such. Your fish store mixes it up, and sells it for $. Charging you for the mix, and the water, with a little profit for their trouble. My LFS sells saltwater for $1.00 per gallon. I have a 90g tank, and spent $50.00 a month on top off water, and for water changes. I have my own RO unit, and now have a 56g tank besides. If I were still going to the LFS for my SW, I would be spending nearly $100.00 a month just for RO water.
If you purchase water from your local Walmart (37 cents a gallon here in my area) or best, get your own Reverse osmosis 5 stage water filter, and purchase a bucket of salt mix ($40.00) that makes up about 200g of saltwater, you save money. If you get your own RO unit, it supplies drinking water that's pure and good for you and your family besides. So the RO water is great for all the household.
Flower- Hopefully you don't think that I am stepping on your feet here.
Just for anyone reading... Flower mentioned drinking RO water, which is perfectly fine. But if you buy a 5 stage RO/DI unit that put out 0 TDS water.... DO NOT DRINK THIS WATER!!!!
This water is stripped of almost all trace elements and is pretty much straight H2O. Your body needs the trace elements in drinking water. Drinking water from a 5 stage RO/DI unit can strip your body of needed trace elements and can cause long term health effects.
I am sure most hobbyists know this who purchased a 5 stage RO/DI unit (it should have a warning on the paperwork included in the box). But I just wanted to give a warning to anyone new who did not know this. Drinking RO water is more then fine.
Back to your regularly scheduled program...

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter/20#post_3521116
Flower- Hopefully you don't think that I am stepping on your feet here.
Just for anyone reading... Flower mentioned drinking RO water, which is perfectly fine. But if you buy a 5 stage RO/DI unit that put out 0 TDS water.... DO NOT DRINK THIS WATER!!!!
This water is stripped of almost all trace elements and is pretty much straight H2O. Your body needs the trace elements in drinking water. Drinking water from a 5 stage RO/DI unit can strip your body of needed trace elements and can cause long term health effects.
I am sure most hobbyists know this who purchased a 5 stage RO/DI unit (it should have a warning on the paperwork included in the box). But I just wanted to give a warning to anyone new who did not know this. Drinking RO water is more then fine.
Back to your regularly scheduled program...
LOL...Stepping on toes...only little kids do that. I just think it was so sweet the way you made sure not to hurt my feelings.
I don't have a 5 stage RO/DI unit, I have a 5 stage RO unit, they call it 5 stages because they added the charcoal filter at the end of the filter cycle. I have read about over purified water someplace before. Deionized water, I don't know anything about...so I didn't mention it at all. I'm glad you piped in, and explained to not drink it.
This link has great information explaining the difference:
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.200104/msg00426.html

 

[tthemadd1]

Agreed on the DI body issue. We use it in car manufacturing and I had an employee once think it would be good to drink.
Whether or not he actual drank it I don't know. I do know if you drink it once you will be fine but repeated exposure as stated can hurt you.
Anyone know about those water filter systems that raise Ph up to 10? They are supposed to be a new fringe health product. Supposedly if you raise your body ph it is impossible get cancer, improves mineral transition, etc?
I had an old boss try to sell me one and now think it may be good for top off water.

 

[snakeblitz33]

I'd rather drink purified water than microbial cysts, dirt and debris, chemicals, flouride, chlorine, chloramines, leftover medications, fish poo, and God knows what else that is in my tap water. I've been drinking RO/DI water for years with no ill effects. You should get your nutrition through your food, not your water. All trace elements can be found in your food... that's why there are food labels with "% daily intake" on them. If your not getting your nutrition from your food, then you need to change your diet.

 

[snakeblitz33]

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Originally Posted by tthemadd1 http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter/20#post_3521195
Agreed on the DI body issue. We use it in car manufacturing and I had an employee once think it would be good to drink.
Whether or not he actual drank it I don't know. I do know if you drink it once you will be fine but repeated exposure as stated can hurt you.
Anyone know about those water filter systems that raise Ph up to 10? They are supposed to be a new fringe health product. Supposedly if you raise your body ph it is impossible get cancer, improves mineral transition, etc?
I had an old boss try to sell me one and now think it may be good for top off water.
Raising your blood pH slightly above 7 will allow your organs and tissues to better function. Acidic blood, over time will cause many health problems - one including the inability for your bones to uptake the necessary trace elements needed to maintain its structure and believe it or not... flexibility. Drinking water with a pH of 10 is like drinking gripe water - it decreases the acid load in your stomach. You can probably do the same thing by adding a pH buffer like baking soda to your water, which many people do, for chronic uncontrolled heart burn.
BTW, raising your blood pH is a lot more difficult than just drinking alkaline water. A proper, healthy organic diet of mainly vegetables and fruits with a little meat - mainly chicken and fish - will, over time lead to weight loss and a more balanced body. Someone who is overweight who drinks alkaline water but eats pizza, hamburgers and fries with cookie dough icecream on a daily basis is not going to get the same benefits that a healthy person would have.

 

[flower]

LOL...I have to agree that drinking purified water "sounds" much better then water with micro-organisms all in it, but it was on the news that if water is too pure it doesn't help you at all. Also all the antibacterial soap isn't good for you either, because there is good bacteria that the skin needs. If you're a mysophobia it's best to not think about it. The reason we want such pure water for a fish tank is because we reload the water with what we want in it, via the salt-mix, otherwise the super over pure water isn't good for the fish either.
As for what is in city tap water...well that's as good as the city can do. I'm quite happy with the RO water off my well.
RO water is just filtered, and there is plenty of bacteria still in it....now we can all say EEEEWWWWW

 

[sweatervest13]

IDK... I would not drink the stuff.
Here is something I found doing a real quick search.
RO/DI water isn't suitable to be drank and it has terrible consequences if you do drink too much of it. It seriously effects osmosis in your body and leads to an electrolyte imbalance. Things such as the ion pumps in cells (including nerve cells) become disrupted, so you get all kinds of hell breaking loose. The main risk you run is cell lysis, or your cells bursting, due to the movement of water molecules into the cell. Since RO/DI water has 0ppm TDS, then the difference in water potential between the inside and outside of a cell will be infinite, so water will constantly be diffusing into the cells, eventually, cause them to burst. This is called osmolysis. During the phases in which your body takes water into the bloodstream before it is removed by the kidneys, you will also get a huge increase in blood pressure from all the water entering your blood stream. Water should have something dissolved in it if you're going to consume it, something like electrolytes (salts) or glucose.
1.) The resin does not dissolve in the water, nor does it add anything to the water, so there will be no toxic chemicals from the resin in the water.
2.) I wouldn't recommend drinking either RO/DI water. It's just too pure for the body to use safely.
3.) Tap water is completely safe (in most developed countries anyway) to drink. It's clean and doesn't contain chemicals in a high enough concentration to cause any bodily harm. There are no adverse effects to drinking tap water. (unless you live in turkey)

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Well i'm not strictly an expert on DI water, but it's the water I get out of the taps in the lab, so I know a thing or two about it. Osmosis is, however, a very basic principle amongst biologists and is thoroughly understood by them. It's why when handling cell components, for example, they need to be kept in an isotonic buffer to prevent osmolysis. For me this all seems like common sense.

 

[snakeblitz33]

I'm enjoying a glass right now. Cheers.
Do you know how much salt you ingest in a day? I know I'm always well over my limit. Drinking something that will flush out excess salts can be a good thing. Sounds like you work for a soda company - Drink glucose and salt! It's good for you! Like in that movie "Idiocrasy," "drink Brawndo! It has electrolytes!"
Just kidding,...
But... let me ask you this: do you trust Dan on Yahoo Answers?

 

[sweatervest13]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter/20#post_3521209
I'm enjoying a glass right now. Cheers.
Do you know how much salt you ingest in a day? I know I'm always well over my limit. Drinking something that will flush out excess salts can be a good thing. Sounds like you work for a soda company - Drink glucose and salt! It's good for you! Like in that movie "Idiocrasy," "drink Brawndo! It has electrolytes!"
Just kidding,...
But... let me ask you this: do you trust Dan on Yahoo Answers?
Hahaha,
Nope don't work for a soda company. Steel company.
Brawndo!! It's got what plants crave!!!! The best!!
Do what you will. I got no problem with that Seth. Some people say a cucumber tastes better pickled. To each their own. I have read more then the quick searched answer from my boy Dan on Yahoo Answers, but not a ton of extra time to research it today. But when I read things about cells exploding, I tend to stay away from that. lol
I would use caution about recommending other folks to drink pure RO/DI water. But this is not a hill I am willing to die on.

 

[tthemadd1]

I worked in bf Goodrich in Cleveland in their labs and no one in the lab would drink the DI water. RO yes. It's drinkable. But not DI. I'm just wondering if the high PH water would be good for tanks since getting the PH up seems to be an issue that keeps coming up on threads.

 

[snakeblitz33]

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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter/20#post_3521212
Hahaha,
Nope don't work for a soda company. Steel company.
Brawndo!! It's got what plants crave!!!! The best!!
Do what you will. I got no problem with that Seth. Some people say a cucumber tastes better pickled. To each their own. I have read more then the quick searched answer from my boy Dan on Yahoo Answers, but not a ton of extra time to research it today. But when I read things about cells exploding, I tend to stay away from that. lol
I would use caution about recommending other folks to drink pure RO/DI water. But this is not a hill I am willing to die on.

Naa, I'm not going to go around preaching about it. I drink plenty of other not so good for me things... soda, milk, orange juice, Brawndo,... I doubt that having the occasional glass of pure water is doing anything worse to my health then I am when I drink soda.
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Originally Posted by tthemadd1 http:///t/395334/sump-vs-canister-filter/20#post_3521280
I worked in bf Goodrich in Cleveland in their labs and no one in the lab would drink the DI water. RO yes. It's drinkable. But not DI. I'm just wondering if the high PH water would be good for tanks since getting the PH up seems to be an issue that keeps coming up on threads.
Almost all pH problems can be easily solved with a little knowledge. Take the tops off the tank, limit the decaying matter in the system and increase your water circulation. It's stuff that seems so common sense now - but to new aquarists coming from freshwater - it's a leap of faith.