tank is crashing

[zdthompson]

Ok had a out break of ich. found it on my blue powder tang and on my yellow tang. started kick ich the ich dropped off the fish. went to look at my tank today and my BPT was at the bottem 5 min from dying. switched him into my other tank hopeing to save him and he died. my nitrates are at 40 going to go buy a new filter pad tonight what else can i do to save all the other fish. i have a dead shark i need to find could that be part of it? ( been dead for a day or 2) im think it may have died due to the food my LFS told me to feed it. there where out of squid and every where else was closed for 3 days he told me to get scalops from the fish counter and fed him some and now he is dead. what should i do and what do you think?

 

[b-baby80]

Im new but my guess is it's the dead shark making everything spike.Did you check those scallops for additives?

 

[smartorl]

Not to start a fight but if this is the tank that you have referred to previously that is overstocked? The best thing is to reduce the bioload by reducing the numbers of fish and begin water changes. I would run carbon, it can't hurt.
Feeding people quality scallops would not kill the shark, most likely it stressed over the conditions. It is a hard lesson that many of us have learned the hard way. In this hobby you can push the rules but you are on borrowed time and it will catch up with you. Hope your other fish pull through.

 

[petjunkie]

Go to the disease section and read about your ich treating options, you will need to set up a large qt for all your fish, hypo because tangs can be sensitive to copper and leave your tank fishless for six weeks. The shark could have died of any number of things, sharks don't fare well in tanks with bad water quality. But do whatever you want because it seems no amount of advice given makes any difference, if you had listen a week ago and taken back the shark and tangs you might not have this problem. For short term lots of water changes with indentical parameter water and get some fresh garlic into your fishes food to boost eating response and immune system.

 

[1journeyman]

I sadly agree with the above posters.
Of course a dead shark is causing a spike. That is stressing out the fish already stressed. Making the Ich all the more deadly.
By switching sick fish to other tank you have now introduced Ich to that tank as well.
Only one correct course of action here; QT ALL FISH and allow tanks to run fallow for 6 weeks.
The sw tank tries to replicate one of the most complicated ecosystems in the world. You can't push the limits without eventually having it crash.
Good luck. Sorry for your losses. Having said that, you started THIS thread a month ago asking about your tank. You were told then that you were in trouble.
Seriously, folks here are here to help. You've got to listen to them however...

 

[m0nk]

I've got to be honest, I've read your other threads and have to say that this was inevitable. Your tank was overstocked with fish that are prone to ich when they get stressed, if they're not treated for ich in QT prior to going into the main tank. The fact also remains that the tank parameters will go crazy being overstocked with these fish as well, regardless if you get a new "filter". You were also listening to the advice of what sounds like a shady LFS and not to the advice that was given within your other threads.
The other posts here basically say what needs to be done, all your fish need to be put into QT and treated with either copper or hypo (neither can be done in tanks that have inverts or coral and copper can't be done in a tank that will ever have inverts or coral). Then the display tanks need to be devoid of fish for 6 weeks for the ich life cycle to end.
Two quick questions too:
Is the dead shark still sitting in the tank?
- If the answer is yes, then get it out of there asap!!!!
What fish do you still have living in the tank?

 

[1journeyman]

And what fish are in what tank... there seems to be some discrepency in what is where.

 

[zdthompson]

i have to wait intill sat night to get the shark out i have about 75- 80 poind of live rock and all are coverd with something be shrooms zoos or zaos. as far as QT do i have to run a filter of some sort on the DT tank i have never done a QT before. the blue tang died about 5min after i put him in and he had no itch from what i could see on him this morn when i looked at him he looked like he was shedding. idk.

 

[zdthompson]

i have
2 3 line's
2 blue damsels
2 green chromis
1 yellow fin
1 tomato clown
1 yellow tang

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by zdthompson
i have to wait intill sat night to get the shark out i have about 75- 80 poind of live rock and all are coverd with something be shrooms zoos or zaos. as far as QT do i have to run a filter of some sort on the DT tank i have never done a QT before. the blue tang died about 5min after i put him in and he had no itch from what i could see on him this morn when i looked at him he looked like he was shedding. idk.
Well, this is your first problem. You can't leave dead fish in your tank or when it begins to decompose (pretty much within the first few hours after it dies) it will begin to emit ammonia (among other chemicals) and cause a spike in all levels.
Your second problem is that your tank is still heavily overstocked and will only make matters worse. You need to remove the shark carcass and move some of those fish into another, and much bigger, tank. That's the only thing you can really do to save your fish. And I recommend you do it today if you want to save them.
I'm sure you don't feel the same way most people do on these boards (based on your other threads), but for most of us, losing a fish is like loosing a member of the family. It ranks up there with dogs, cats, etc. And I am a former cat owner, I know the feeling of loosing not one, but two cats in the past 10 years (one of which was a member of the family for 16 years). Loosing a fish isn't easy for many people.

 

[lil' tanker]

ya I also agree with above posters sorry man

 

[scotts]

WOW, You were told your tank was overstocked and then you ADDED another tang?
blue tang died about 5min after i put him
Not only that, but a powder blue is not one of the hardiest fish anyway, If you had researched that.
I would like to tell you what I think you should do, but you would not listen anyway.

 

[browniebuck]

WOW, You were told your tank was overstocked and then you ADDED another tang?
NO, he didn't add another tang, he took out the tang that was in the tank (with ich) and put it into another tank, where it died after 5 minutes.

 

[scotts]

OK that is my bad, but I still stand by what I say that this was a bomb waiting to go off and Zd did not listen to people telling her how to disarm the bomb.

 

[nick76]

Originally Posted by zdthompson
i have to wait intill sat night to get the shark out i have about 75- 80 poind of live rock and all are coverd with something be shrooms zoos or zaos. as far as QT do i have to run a filter of some sort on the DT tank i have never done a QT before. the blue tang died about 5min after i put him in and he had no itch from what i could see on him this morn when i looked at him he looked like he was shedding. idk.
There isnt really time to "wait" here. Have u been doing any water changes to keep the ammonia down? Basically at this point its either QT using hypo or lose all your fish.
EDIT: and one more thing I wanted to add.
Originally Posted by zdthompson
OK keep in mind they are FISH! FISH not dogs not cats not people but fish honestly ask your self this. if your dog died would you cry or feel really bad and wallow a little bit? good chances you would. now would you do the same for a fish? prob a good % of people would say no. goldfish and im sure others have a 10 second memory.
I really do take offense to that comment. When U care for saltwater for a long time almost everyone here will tell you they form very strong bonds with their fish. Hell Ive watched a hermit crab get eaten and felt remorse. They may be only "fish" but I do consider them just as important as a dog or cat, and im not bashing or flaming here. I just want u to know that fish are important to us.

 

[halcyon_diver]

EDIT: and one more thing I wanted to add.
I really do take offense to that comment. When U care for saltwater for a long time almost everyone here will tell you they form very strong bonds with their fish. Hell Ive watched a hermit crab get eaten and felt remorse. They may be only "fish" but I do consider them just as important as a dog or cat, and im not bashing or flaming here. I just want u to know that fish are important to us.
Well said...you spoke for many of us

 

[zdthompson]

Originally Posted by Scotts
WOW, You were told your tank was overstocked and then you ADDED another tang?
Not only that, but a powder blue is not one of the hardiest fish anyway, If you had researched that.
I would like to tell you what I think you should do, but you would not listen anyway.

I did not add another tang. i was talking about the blue poweder i have not added any fish for over a month. the only thing i have added is 2 emralds and a camel and a pepperment

 

[zdthompson]

well im ganna say this you can not change how i feel about fish. i look at it like this. i bond with animals i can reach out and touch and i guess feel that there are legit animals? does this make sense? so thus i do not get emotional about fish. yeah i was bumbed when my shark died of course but it is part of life things die weather its there time or not. dont get me wrong dont people feed damsels to lions? well i have damsels in my tank so why should i be sad if lion fish bait dies or gets fed to lion. see my point? insted of arguing about this an you tell me how to fix it?
I took all 80 pounds of LR out last night at 3am to fish the shark out and catch my fish. they are all in a seprate tank right now with a little LR and LS nothing else. they have there org water. now what? i have never done a QT before so could some one please explain how to save the fish i have left.

 

[zdthompson]

bump

 

[1journeyman]

ZD, please go to the first thread in the disease forum and read about Ich.
Next, post your water parameters, your current tanks, inhabitants, etc. on a new thread in the Disease forum.
From there we can walk you through setting up a proper QT tank and treating your sick fish.