Teacher letting students give her Insulin Shots...

stdreb27

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586622,00.html
De Leon, Texas — For most fourth graders, their school day consists of reading, writing, math, science and social studies lessons. But for some students at a Texas elementary school, their curriculum also included giving their diabetic teacher insulin shots with a hypodermic needle.
Pauline Villarreal, whose 9-year-old daughter is a student at De Leon Elementary School, in De Leon, Texas, said she was outraged when her daughter told her in December that her teacher, Jody Janek, was allowing students to inject insulin into her stomach.
“I just saw red flags going all over my head,” she told the Abilene Reporter News. “No gloves. No parent consent. No lesson plan. It’s OK for the kids to think they can play with a needle. What if kids are walking down the street and find a syringe? They will think, ‘My teacher taught me how to do this,’ and stick it in their brother.”
According to the report, Janek has been allowing her students to volunteer to administer her shots for sometime — a move that has left both parents and the small community divided.
“I personally don’t have a problem with it,” Jamie Ballenger, whose son volunteered to give Janek insulin shots last year, told the newspaper.
Ballenger, who has leukemia, credits Janek for making her son feel comfortable administering her shots.
“He knows how to do it because she taught them about it,” she said. “I think it’s not only helping her, but it’s helping others.”
Even though some feel this “lesson” is helping others, doctors said there are real risks associated with what Janek is practicing in her classroom.

So does what's your reaction. I'm actually curious, because half of me says what if, the other half says, that is a dang cool health lesson...
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3231879
Wtf?
No freaking way. Totally unacceptable.
Why? If taught properly I see nothing wrong with this. This is a great life lesson for the kids. It makes them comfortable round needles (for shots and such). You also explain to them the bad things involved (drugs and disease) and it will be fine.
Teachers have been giving kids candy from kindergarten on up and parents don't freak about that? What if on the way home a stranger tries to give the kids candy similar to what the teacher gave them? What if they found candy on the side of the road similar to what the teacher gave them.
The teacher is doing her job and teaching...it is the parents job to ensure the lessons taught are applied in the proper scenario.
I will say the teacher should have informed the parents beforehand....since this is an abnormal teaching regiment....but outside of that, I have no issue.
 

cranberry

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I just sliced my finger open on Monday with an insulin syringe at work and I've been a nurse forever. I don't expect kids to have the dexterity to keep themselves out of harms way. And if they are going to be at risk for slicing themselves or jabbing themselves with a dirty needle, their parents should have some say.
And not wearing gloves? Ew. Bad practice and just plain gross.
Practice on oranges like we did in first year nursing school... do they really need anything beyond a first year nursing curriculum at age 9?
The illegal drug/needle connection.... well I don't see the connection, so that's not a part of my argument at all. I'm talking about kids handling dirty needles.......
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3231964
I just sliced my finger open on Monday with an insulin syringe at work and I've been a nurse forever. I don't expect kids to have the dexterity to keep themselves out of harms way. And if they are going to be at risk for slicing themselves or jabbing themselves with a dirty
needle, their parents should have some say.
And not wearing gloves? Ew. Bad practice and just plain gross.
Practice on oranges like we did in first year nursing school... do they really need anything beyond a first year nursing curriculum at age 9?
I understand the risk factor...but stick with that as the reason for being against it. My wife took that stance. don't use the "what if they found a needle on the side of the road" argument. holds no water.
From a hygiene perspective, yes, I think it is bad practice...especially with no parental consent form.
 

cranberry

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3231967
I understand the risk factor...but stick with that as the reason for being against it. My wife took that stance. don't use the "what if they found a needle on the side of the road" argument. holds no water.
I'm not following.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3231969
I'm not following.
I am referring to the part of the story that states this,"It’s OK for the kids to think they can play with a needle. What if kids are walking down the street and find a syringe? They will think, ‘My teacher taught me how to do this,’ and stick it in their brother.”
That is a weak argument. This is a concern, yet parents allow their children to play with toy guns....if you live in a neighborhood that syringes are prevalent on the street, then the possibility of a child finding a gun should be a fear as well...
Just saying its a lame reason to be against it. The hygiene reason holds a lot more water in my eyes.
 

cranberry

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I would have no problem with any type of teaching involving needles..... as long as it wasn't dirty needles. There's no need of that. CERTAINLY not without a parents consent.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3231976
I would have no problem with any type of teaching involving needles..... as long as it wasn't dirty needles. There's no need of that. CERTAINLY not without a parents consent.
The story doesn't state if the needles were clean and sterile each time or dirty....
 

reefkprz

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without a lesson plan and proper hygenic steps (gloves), even the very basics of first aid teaches to use gloves. exposign young students to the possible risk of direct blood contact from the needle is an irresponsible risk. say (hypothetically) the teacher who knows she has diabetes, doesnt know she has aids or another bloodborne pathogen, without gloves the risk of contamintion is pretty large and not one you should be taking with some one elses children, and without parnetal consent.
its great the the teacher wants to teach how to administer shots, but she should have drawn up a lesson plan, and taken the most basic of precautionary first aid measures, and gotten parental consent. does she even have a liscence to teach medical practices?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
http:///forum/post/3231994
without a lesson plan and proper hygenic steps (gloves), even the very basics of first aid teaches to use gloves. exposign young students to the possible risk of direct blood contact from the needle is an irresponsible risk. say (hypothetically) the teacher who knows she has diabetes, doesnt know she has aids or another bloodborne pathogen, without gloves the risk of contamintion is pretty large and not one you should be taking with some one elses children, and without parnetal consent.
its great the the teacher wants to teach how to administer shots, but she should have drawn up a lesson plan, and taken the most basic of precautionary first aid measures, and gotten parental consent. does she even have a liscence to teach medical practices?
you are talking small town texas... They don't care as much for the CYA...
 

reefkprz

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3232009
Gloves do nothing to prevent needle pokes.
no but the glove in the case of a needle pojke acts as a squeegee and wipes the needle decreasing the risk of contamination (not eliminating it by any stretch) but the glove do help when handleing the needle if a student were to touch the dirty needle without actually poking themselves they could still be contaminated.
either way i think the teacher was way out of line.
 

cranberry

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Not a correct assumption actually. It's not the outside of the needle that is the major risk, actually. It's the hollow center of the needle......
And I never got the "Your gloves are like a Squeegee" while in school. I would want to see data on that.
 

reefkprz

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your standard latex glove has less than 10% puncture/contamination prevention ratio. not sterling by anystretch, but better than nothing. like I said previously it doesnt negate the danger by any stretch. if your given a 100% chance at infection with hiv or a 95% chance which would you chose.....
http://www.jstor.org/pss/30148306
my point was that the teacher was teaching kids very risky methods for handleing needles. etc, even if they dont puncture themselves handleing a dirty needle with barehands and teaching the kids to do so is foolish. teaching them to at least use gloves when the risk of blood exposure is possible would have been a better method.
 

tne1cancme

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I don't agree with a teacher doing this without parental consent, I think she probably has to inject a couple of times a day and the kids are very curious about what she is doing.
Here's my take on what I think she is thinking based on my wife's insulin use and questions people and children ask us. She probably is using an injection pen( you dial up your units that are required, place a very tiny disposable needle-30gX1/3"- on the end and push down on the cap). She probably puts the needle on and removes the safety cap and then lets the kids push the cap in to dispense the dose.
I wouldn't think she's using a normal hypodermic syringe and drawing a shot out of an ampule.
As a former very curious kid myself, I woulda thought this was to cool, as a parent I think it's not so smart.
 

cranberry

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Originally Posted by tne1cancme
http:///forum/post/3232867
Here's my take on what I think she is thinking based on my wife's insulin use and questions people and children ask us. She probably is using an injection pen( you dial up your units that are required, place a very tiny disposable needle-30gX1/3"- on the end and push down on the cap). She probably puts the needle on and removes the safety cap and then lets the kids push the cap in to dispense the dose.
I wouldn't think she's using a normal hypodermic syringe and drawing a shot out of an ampule.
As a former very curious kid myself, I woulda thought this was to cool, as a parent I think it's not so smart.
You're making a lot of tall assumptions. Pens don't require a sharps container, which the article states this one needed. One mom said it taught her son to administer needles her herself (who has leukemia) and there wouldn't be a need to use a pen with leukemia treatment.... it would be a straight needle. There is no reason to believe from that article she was using a pen to teach.
Most of what I encounter is peeps still use the needle and draw it out verses a pen.
 

tne1cancme

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3232907
You're making a lot of tall assumptions. Pens don't require a sharps container, which the article states this one needed. One mom said it taught her son to administer needles her herself (who has leukemia) and there wouldn't be a need to use a pen with leukemia treatment.... it would be a straight needle. There is no reason to believe from that article she was using a pen to teach.
Most of what I encounter is peeps still use the needle and draw it out verses a pen.
I reread the article and still didn't see were the sharps container was mentioned other than some NYC dr.saying it needed to be used. And yes I did make some assumptions, as stated it was my take on the situation. As a nurse you probably do encounter hypo use more than pens, but here in my lil corner of the world about 90 percent of the diabetics I know use pens, 5 percent of the others have a pump. As far as calming fear of needles or reducing the stress of taking a shot, I personally was a lot more at ease when I started having to inject myself with a 27gx1-1/2" IM dose of DHE for my migraines, because of being around my wife and others insulin use.
 

cranberry

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As a nurse, I deal with peeps who bring their medical supplies they use at home into the hospital with them. They use their home supplies when they come in.
 
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