The Grand-daddy of Them ALL!!! O - H

browniebuck

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Well...to all of the Buckeye haters out there...what is the excuse? Did the Buckeyes not play a tough opponent (that can't be...ALL of the experts picked Oregon)? Did the Buckeyes somehow cheat? I know, I know...they drugged the Ducks water on their sidelines!!!
OR...Perhaps, they played better than their opponent, were perhaps BETTER than their opponent, were perhaps better coached than their opponent, and made more plays than their opponent. I just can't wait to hear all of the excuses...HATE ON HATERS!!!
O - H!!!!!!
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by browniebuck
http:///forum/post/3200074
Well...to all of the Buckeye haters out there...what is the excuse? Did the Buckeyes not play a tough opponent (that can't be...ALL of the experts picked Oregon)? Did the Buckeyes somehow cheat? I know, I know...they drugged the Ducks water on their sidelines!!!
OR...Perhaps, they played better than their opponent, were perhaps BETTER than their opponent, were perhaps better coached than their opponent, and made more plays than their opponent. I just can't wait to hear all of the excuses...HATE ON HATERS!!!
O - H!!!!!!
Law of averages said Ohio had to win a bowl game sooner or later
 
bionicarm

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I actually thought it was a good game. I defintely wouldn't consider it a blowout. The Ohio State QB deserved the MVP, but the Oregon defense shut him down on many occassions. The game could've ended just as easily with Oregon winning. But what it boils down to is, who cares? So Ohio State won the Rose Bowl. Big whoop. Does this put them in the running for the National Championship? Uh, no. Just another useless overrated college bowl game if you ask me.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3200100
Pac 10 is overrated. I hate Ohio State but that was a great solid game by them. They shut Oregon down
Pac 10 over rated? Hardly. Last year they were 5-0 in Bowl games and still didn't get respect from the uneducated football masses. I said early on this year they were either really good or really bad and we would know which come bowl season. Well we know the answer to that one.

So far the Big 10 is making a strong case as being the strongest conference this year. Penn State Ohio State and Wisconsin all won against quality opponents, Minnesota lost by a point and Northwestern by 3. Not bad.
Mountain west should start getting a little respect too.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3200116
I actually thought it was a good game. I defintely wouldn't consider it a blowout. The Ohio State QB deserved the MVP, but the Oregon defense shut him down on many occassions. The game could've ended just as easily with Oregon winning. But what it boils down to is, who cares? So Ohio State won the Rose Bowl. Big whoop. Does this put them in the running for the National Championship? Uh, no. Just another useless overrated college bowl game if you ask me.
Pryor reminds me of Jamarcus Russel but with a brain
. That was a break out game for the kid. Oregon's D did a good job and the kid just showed good ball sense.
 
crypt keeper

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3200119
Pac 10 over rated? Hardly. Last year they were 5-0 in Bowl games and still didn't get respect from the uneducated football masses. I said early on this year they were either really good or really bad and we would know which come bowl season. Well we know the answer to that one.

You just contradicted yourself.
Are they good bad or both or over rated. You made cases for both but then said they were bad.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3200135
You just contradicted yourself.
Are they good bad or both or over rated. You made cases for both but then said they were bad.
No, I said early on, based on the way games were playing out among the PAC 10 teams they were either a very good conference, one with several strong teams that were knocking each other off, of a pretty weak conference with no strong teams, there was no middle ground. Bowl season has show the latter. With the exception of Arizona and maybe Oregon state I think all the teams played well and ended up going 2 and 5. You can't blame that on the team wasn't up for the game or bad coaching, they just weren't as good as their opponents.
I never heard anyone who I respect as an analyst claim the PAC was best in the land or close to it. I think one of the ESPN guys had them 3rd best going in which I think was a reasonable assumption at the time.
 
crypt keeper

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3200147
No, I said early on, based on the way games were playing out among the PAC 10 teams they were either a very good conference, one with several strong teams that were knocking each other off, of a pretty weak conference with no strong teams, there was no middle ground. Bowl season has show the latter. With the exception of Arizona and maybe Oregon state I think all the teams played well and ended up going 2 and 5. You can't blame that on the team wasn't up for the game or bad coaching, they just weren't as good as their opponents.
I never heard anyone who I respect as an analyst claim the PAC was best in the land or close to it. I think one of the ESPN guys had them 3rd best going in which I think was a reasonable assumption at the time.
Kirk is going to kill you. LOL! I have been say this all along but yet some how He claims I have made his argument stronger.
OH and great Cincy pick.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3200155
Kirk is going to kill you. LOL! I have been say this all along but yet some how He claims I have made his argument stronger.
OH and great Cincy pick.

I didn't pick Cincy, Had Fla with a 22 confidence. Just wanted to see if any of the other pick em participants would bite

I did nail the OSU and FSU upsets though.
 
crypt keeper

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I dont think Ohio State was upset in my eyes. They have a stout defense and the Big 10 had some good teams this year. PSU and Iowa werent slouchers by any means.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
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I dont think Ohio State was upset in my eyes. They have a stout defense and the Big 10 had some good teams this year. PSU and Iowa werent slouchers by any means.
Big 10 was better than its been in years.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3200161
I didn't pick Cincy, Had Fla with a 22 confidence. Just wanted to see if any of the other pick em participants would bite

I did nail the OSU and FSU upsets though.
My pick 'em is doing as well as the PAC10, or the field at the Citrus Bowl.
 
kjr_trig

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The Bucks were helped tremendously by having a month to prepare for Oregon, same as Boise St. Play Oregon's nasty spread offense with a week to prepare and they get trounced....Change 2 plays in that game; The Blount fumble into the endzone, and the "hail mary" Prior threw up that got caught and it's a different result. Prior played awesome, he is a stud, but Tressel is the MVP for the Bucks hands down for getting the game plan together.
Crypt, I will deal with your continued lunacy in our other thread, no since dragging your crap over here.
 
browniebuck

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kjr_trig...and, if Ohio State had two plays that didn't work for them, it would have been a blowout. If Pryor's INT was about a foot further, that would have been a TD...and if Sanzenbacher held on to another pass, that would have been another long gainer that would have set up another touchdown. As for the month off...you could say the same thing about the Oregon offense, they had a month to prepare for facing one of the toughest defenses in the country...but in the end...the Buckeyes came out on top and the haters (like yourself) continue to hate. Keep playing the what if's..and if your aunt had a ____, she would be your uncle!
Ohio State loses a total of 5 starters out of 22 positions...they will be strong next year...with continued progression from Pryor, they will compete for the National Championship next season...and the haters will continue to hate...I guess that's a good thing, in order for haters to have something to talk about, the Bucks have to be playing well and winning games.
O - H!!!!!!!!!!
 
crypt keeper

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3200240
The Bucks were helped tremendously by having a month to prepare for Oregon, same as Boise St. Play Oregon's nasty spread offense with a week to prepare and they get trounced....Change 2 plays in that game; The Blount fumble into the endzone, and the "hail mary" Prior threw up that got caught and it's a different result. Prior played awesome, he is a stud, but Tressel is the MVP for the Bucks hands down for getting the game plan together.
you do realize that Oregon had 5 week to prepare for that defense and change some things up right? The excuses you make up are unreal. Now you are fetching for answers.
They were out coached and out played its that simple.
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3200258
you do realize that Oregon had 5 week to prepare for that defense and change some things up right? The excuses you make up are unreal. Now you are fetching for answers.
They were out coached and out played its that simple.
Arg!!! you and FIFO are both missing my point
If you only have a week to prepare, that spread offense is VERY difficult to prepare for, if you have a month to only prepare for that, you have a great chance...Boise St. and Ohio St. both have awesome players on their team, but with only a week to prepare they would not do nearly as well. Those were the only 2 games Oregon's offense struggled all year....See the correlation?
 
crypt keeper

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what happened against Stanford then? Im not missing your excuse. Notice I didnt say point.
Ohio state was ranked 5th in every major defensive category coming into that game It wasnt by accident. Orehon hadnt faced a defense that stingy or good all year. It showed. The Pac 10 puts up points and allows points. Look at the OSU O game and the Stan- O game. 100 points put up by both schools. It was a shoot out. That never happens in the Big Ten. They actually play that thing called defense.
I see your correlation but its an excuse made up by losers.
 
reefraff

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I see nothing in out of conference scoring to indicate the Big 10 has better overall defenses than the PAC 10. UCLA was an also ran in the PAC and held Tennessee to fewer points than 7 of Tenn's SEC brethren did. They held Kansas state to fewer points than Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech.
USC held OSU to 15 points, any Big 10 team do that?
OSU gave up 27 to Navy. Air Force, Temple, Wake forest and a few others meet or beat that.
Wisconsin gave up 31 to Fresno State. Wyoming, Louisiana Tec, Nevada and Idaho all did better against them.
Cal scored more points on Minnesota than they did Utah or 7 of their Pac 10 rivals while only 3 Big 10 teams held Sota to less points than Cal did
The notion that the Pac 10 doesn't play good defense is old and tired.
 
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