The impatient aquarium

wickedpaul

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Three weeks back, I found an ad on a local board about someone selling a 55 Gallon setup.
Made the purchase for $250.00. Included, was 55 gallon long tank,48 inch lamp fixture with 2 bulbs, Emperor 400 Filter, Rio 2100 Powerhead, Stand, Tetra Heater, numberous chemicals. About 70 pounds of live rock, and a bed that had been created using 20 pounds of live sand, a bag of white sand, and crushed coral.
I have been keeping freshwater aquariums for several years with lots of great luck so I decided to have a go at this. I purchased RO Salt water from the LFS to fill the tank. After testing water on day 3, the LFS said it should have a few more weeks left in its cycle but that I should add a few damsels to the tank. So I did. Damsels where fine for about 3 days, then 1 died. Though not from a water issue, he buried himself under a rock, sand shifted from the powerhead and seemed to bury him in there. I brought the water back to the LFS again on about day 7, was told the cycle was nearly complete and that I could put fish in if I wanted to. I purchased 2 Percula clowns. I brought a sample of the water in to the shop again a few days later, and was told my salt was way too low, practically fresh water, but that the nitrates, ammonia, and nitrites where perfect. Both clowns and both remaining damsels where fine and very happy. I raised the salt up to the proper levels.
Several days later I lost another damsel to the same thing, buried under the rocks. I brought water back to the pet shop again. This was probably day 11. I developed a lot of brown algae over the few days around this point. Read that this was good. Checked water chemistry myself, everything seemed pretty much perfect. Verified at 2 LFS. Water was perfect on day 12. Added small cleaning crew, 6 hermits, 3 turbos, and added a Coral Beauty. Last damsel buries itself under rocks. Read that blue hippos are prone to same behavior and decide not to buy one.
It is now about day 21 for my tank. I have not had any deaths in over a week, none of the deaths in the tank where caused by water problems. Currently the tank is holding a coral beauty, 2 perculas, a yellow tang, 2 sebae clowns, a sebae anemone, about 10-12 hermits, 10-12 turbos, a coral banded shrimp, a chocolate chip star, and a small queen conch. Everything is moving about happily, tank is crystal clear, there are still traces of brown algae on some of the rocks, but the cleaning crew is doing nicely with that.
Plans for the next few weeks include adding three more fish to complete the fish selection, a Koran, a royal gramma, and a Mandarin Goby. 1 of the sebae clowns will be moving to a friends tank shortly I believe as they are behaving aggressively over the anemone, and I don't think he will last long fighting with the larger one so often. I will also add a protein skimmer soon, and am considering getting another 2 powerheads, with a timer strip.
It does make me quite happy that I have been so successful in such a short time, and for a relatively small amount of money compared to reading about 6-8 week stories with massive die offs.
I do realize that some people may think this was irresponsible of me, but I did verify everything step by step with local fish shops. Everything from making sure my lighting was correct, to checking water with multiple places to make sure everything was up to par.
I do realize that my current fish plans may make the tank slightly over crowded, however, I think that with the volume of live rock, live sand, the filter, and the addition of the protein skimmer, it should be more then adequate for the sizes of fish I have chosen. Especially since the percula clowns appear to be schooling.
I watched for hours last night one of the sebae clowns feeding small scraps of squid, and flake to its host anemone, that was just a blast.
Thanks for reading my story.
Quick Edit.
I do realize the Koran will outgrow this tank. My plan is that when it gets too large, I will bring him back to the LFS, and get a smaller one again.
 

glowplug

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disaster awaits---and Really hold on the madarin, they are picky feeders from what ive heard and will die if not in a FULLY established reef tank. By fully I mean like a year or older. I hope you plan to VERY gradually raise your salinity, dont just throw salt in the tank. And hook up that P skimmer on the quick.
 

wickedpaul

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Originally Posted by glowplug
disaster awaits---and Really hold on the madarin, they are picky feeders from what ive heard and will die if not in a FULLY established reef tank. By fully I mean like a year or older. I hope you plan to VERY gradually raise your salinity, dont just throw salt in the tank. And hook up that P skimmer on the quick.
LFS says salinity has been perfect for about 2 weeks now. I check it daily as well. Ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites are all stable as well. I have been checking chemicals every few days to make sure. I had small ammonia spikes when I added fish, but it dropped back down again. I will do a 5 gallon water change saturday, with more RO water from the shop.
 

glowplug

Member
I thought you said you had low salinity, my bad, just keep an eye on everything cross your fingers and stuff and it should all go well im still a newb too, did you use any cycling products like cycle or nitromax? Iv heard nitromax is good when adding fish, if you plan on doing it soon you might want to pick some up, should prevent the ammonia spikes
 

wickedpaul

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Originally Posted by glowplug
I thought you said you had low salinity, my bad, just keep an eye on everything cross your fingers and stuff and it should all go well im still a newb too, did you use any cycling products like cycle or nitromax? Iv heard nitromax is good when adding fish, if you plan on doing it soon you might want to pick some up, should prevent the ammonia spikes
Had low salinity. I raised it up over the course of a few days, it is perfect now. Have not used any cycling products. I attribute the quick cycle to having such a huge portion of live rock. Plus, the rocks have large surface area. I have been doing a lot of thinking about live rock, and although obviously I am no expert, I think I may disagree with the "Pounds Per gallon" rules. I think massive surface area is probably better, extremely porous rock with lots of surface. I have added a dose of essential elements, and a kent algaecoral stimulator recently.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
The pounds per gallon formula is only a rough guide. It's widely accepted that more porous rock (Pacific vs Caribbean for instance) is better.
It sounds like your lights are stock. If so your Sebae is dead unless you upgrade lights.
Good luck with your tank. Anything is possible, but I would highly recomend buying a good book and reading up a bit on the hobby (Fenner's a good author, and Michael's Guide to Saltwater fish will aid you in selecting good fish for your tank).
Coral Banded Shrimp have been known to be aggressive. Your starfish too will have to be watched.
Listening to a local fish store can be a bad way to participate in the hobby. You need to test your own water, research your own purchases, and plan your own hardware to minimize failure.
The fact that your local fish store sold you damsels tells me that they were not expecting your tank to be properly cycled. If they didn't explain that to you then what else are they leaving out?
Good luck!
 

wickedpaul

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Lamps are not stock. They were upgraded, I am at work and do not remember the numbers off the top of my head. I specifically asked this when I purchased the anemone.
LFS did not suggest damsels, I picked them for the price because I did not believe it could be ready for fish yet.
I am reading, whew a lot of reading. Luckily I work in management which gives me plenty of time to read this board while I am at work.
 

lionfish1

Member
Originally Posted by WickedPaul
Lamps are not stock. They were upgraded, I am at work and do not remember the numbers off the top of my head. I specifically asked this when I purchased the anemone.
LFS did not suggest damsels, I picked them for the price because I did not believe it could be ready for fish yet.
I am reading, whew a lot of reading. Luckily I work in management which gives me plenty of time to read this board while I am at work.
That's the point it wasn't ready for fish. So why put the damsels through that? Because they were cheap?
 

kathdo

Member
I have found to make sure you do your own water tests....I took ONE batch of water to 2 different LFS and got 2 totally different ph readings from them...One was at 8.8 and the other one told me 8.0.
I tested it myself 3 times to be sure, and it was at 8.2....So who would you believe ??
One hop had me going up and the other one going down...I'm glad I didn't waste my money in either of the stores !!!
 

fishy7

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Hey Wicked, sounds like you are on your way. Good luck with everything. Just a quick question, what was the result of your water test? Results meaning: :thinking:
trates
trites
ph
sg
alk
ammonia
Thanks
 

wickedpaul

Member
Originally Posted by lionfish1
That's the point it wasn't ready for fish. So why put the damsels through that? Because they were cheap?


No, they said the tank was ready for fish. I did not believe them that it could have cycled so quickly. So I bought inexpensive.
As far as testing, I will post when I have finished tonight.
 

lukeb321

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People like this - make me want to get out of the hobby.
Tank is too new for these fish, and way overstocked already, why don't you add large angels, couple more tangs, and a small shark, maybe they will school and everything will be fine.
 

dogstar

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IMO, this is a way too harsh comment. Its very possible that this tank never needed to cycle. If useing fully cured live rock and sand and doing water changes ect. Can make a tank cycle very quikly and keep levels very low. Im not saying that everything Paul said was done was the best way or how I would do it but He/she is learning and reading and seems to be getting about OK.
The tank now has 5 small fish that does not make it overstocked plus a yellow tang that will outgrow the tank soon and he will have to deal with it oneday like many of us do. Its not clear what kind of lights so I cant comment about the anrmone. Just my thought and everyone has the right to say what they wish as I just did.
Paul, good luck.
 

seannmelly

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Originally Posted by lukeb321
People like this - make me want to get out of the hobby.
Tank is too new for these fish, and way overstocked already, why don't you add large angels, couple more tangs, and a small shark, maybe they will school and everything will be fine.

whats the deal with this comment? let the guy do what he wants, he will learn from his mistakes if there is any. and yes he knows his fish will out grow the tank, he said he would give them back and get smaller 1's. what size tank do you have and whats in it? prolly the same as the guy ur yelling at.
 

badoleross

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My only suggestion would be to add the protien skimmer before any more fish. My 110 reef and my 220 FOWLR both completed their cycles in less then a week because the LR was fully cured. My reef is doing fine as was my 220 until I poison it with copper, but thats a different thread. Nice story Paul! Good Luck!
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by WickedPaul
After testing water on day 3, the LFS said it should have a few more weeks left in its cycle but that I should add a few damsels to the tank...... .
I think this statement is what is causing concern for folks...
 

wickedpaul

Member
Originally Posted by BadOleRoss
My only suggestion would be to add the protien skimmer before any more fish. My 110 reef and my 220 FOWLR both completed their cycles in less then a week because the LR was fully cured. My reef is doing fine as was my 220 until I poison it with copper, but thats a different thread. Nice story Paul! Good Luck!


Protein skimmer will be my next major purchase. For the moment though, I am going to make due with 10% water changes weekly, until I get a few more dollars in the bank to get a decent skimmer. I am also planning on the timed powerhead system.
 

uberlink

Active Member
Save your money on the timed powerheads. Just get some good powerheads and some rotating flow deflectors. They're $10 each, they do the same thing, and they're as or more reliable. Spend the $150 you'd have spent on that on a skimmer...soon!
Best of luck.
 

dogstar

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I think this statement is what is causing concern for folks...
IMO, thats what one would expect a LFS to say...something that is confusing
:thinking:
 

firedog

Member
Another sidebar here is that the two species of clowns may fight. The general opinion is that only one species per tank.
Also those clowns might not be sebae clowns, as I have read that true sebae clowns are actually quite rare in the trade.
And give the tank some time before you add more. It may tank a while for conditions to get bad and for the tank to start showing problems.
 
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