the last fish is gone, what should I do with the tank?

seecrabrun

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Lost my last chromi that was the last of 3 I got to be in my 20H.

I did QT, I treated for ich. I lost the first one early on, the second one after QT was over and the last one just now.

I don't know if they all died from the same thing or different things, but obviously something is up.

My water tests spot on. My crab, snails, and hermit are fine, I even just found 3 mysis shrimp today, which was weird.

What do I do with the tank in case it was a disease or something? Should I treat it with something or have it fallow for a while?

I only have pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and phosphate for testing. Should I get something else?

None of the fish ever had any sign of ich at any point but I treated for it just the same, so I know it's not ich that did this.

Any other ideas?
 

silverado61

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Leave it devoid of fish for 4-6 weeks then slowly start restocking. Or start saving for an upgrade on size.
 

flower

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Hi,

Sorry for your loss...Silverado is right...but I would wait 6 to 8 weeks before restocking.
 

silverado61

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If I remember from the other thread the fish have been out for 14 days. That's why I only suggested 4-6. The longer the better though.
 

flower

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If I remember from the other thread the fish have been out for 14 days. That's why I only suggested 4-6. The longer the better though.
LOL...That's what I what I was thinking, the longer the better...6 weeks alone is really overkill to wait. I do realize now the last fish was in a QT, so the display had no fish in it, but where did he say 14 days?
 

seecrabrun

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They came out of QT 2 weeks ago tomorrow.

I can wait on adding new fish for however long, but can't remove the inverts that are in there. I think that it doesn't matter that they stay?
 

pegasus

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I can wait on adding new fish for however long, but can't remove the inverts that are in there. I think that it doesn't matter that they stay?
They should be fine as long as you give them a little food all along. I don't think inverts carry disease. If that were the case, you'd have to quarantine new inverts just like fish. Never heard of that being done...
 

silverado61

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LOL...That's what I what I was thinking, the longer the better...6 weeks alone is really overkill to wait. I do realize now the last fish was in a QT, so the display had no fish in it, but where did he say 14 days?
I could swore she said they've been in qt for 2wks.
 

silverado61

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They should be fine as long as you give them a little food all along. I don't think inverts carry disease. If that were the case, you'd have to quarantine new inverts just like fish. Never heard of that being done...
Agreed. Just turn the power heads and overflow off for a while so they have a chance to get to it. And don't feed quite as much as you would with fish. They can still pick off the rocks.
 

beaslbob

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waiting is fine.

I would put some macro algaes in there, wait a week, then try a single male molly and wait a week before adding any food.
 
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seecrabrun

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They came out of QT 2 weeks ago tomorrow.

I might have not made much sense last night. It was like 3am and she had just gone.

I had them in QT when I brought them home. Lost 1, other 2 did great the rest of QT, then a few days after moving to the main tank I lost another. Now I've lost the last.
 

pegasus

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It had to be disease if water parameters were good, and you lost fish in both tanks. Have you talked to the people you bought them from to see if others were suffering fatalities from the same batch? Sometimes they'll make it good if there's a rash of deaths. Many sellers want to keep their customers...
 

Bryce E

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Yeah, to my knowledge any diseases that you may get with fish or inverts do not cross effect one another... so if it was a disease/parasite with the fish then you shouldn't have to worry about the inverts. But leaving the water clear of fish for the 6 weeks Like Silverado said and still doing regular water changes should clear up the tank.(Better to be safe than sorry)

I'm not sure if this procedure is correct for all diseases or parasites... but I do know that things like ich will not survive without a host.

So not knowing what it is I'd have to say that it's a good question for Beth.
 

seecrabrun

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I'll type out what I know and maybe someone will see something I didn't.

I bought 3 chromis from ***** that had not been released into the tank yet. They were floating in their shipping bag to temperature acclimate. Since there were 3 and I wanted 3, I got them.

Brought them home and put them in a bucket with their travel water and ran my accudrip line from the QT tank to their bucket and let it drip for an hour.

I then moved them to the QT tank which had ruck rubble, air stone, and nothing else. Admittedly, nothing else... I forgot to put a heater in it! They didn't really eat. They were a bit confused by the food, but eventually figured it out.

After 60 hours, I found the largest of the 3 dead. He didn't have any external signs of anything, except his mouth was wide open. I'm going to assume he died from poor oxygenation in the water? It was suggested it was aggression from the other 2, but he was completely intact, no nips on the tails or anything, and I never witnessed aggression.

The other 2 finished out QT together, with a heater this time. They took well to the food and seemed overall quite content, except one fish was being aggressive towards the other some. At one point the bullied one had some patches of missing scales.

When QT was over, I moved them to their new home. They both were doing pretty well, except the bullied one seemed to like to hide a lot. I figured it would take time to feel safe. He would still come out for feedings, but then I started seeing a lot of signs of aggression. The aggressive one would attack him when he came out for food, and chase him around the tank. It got to where he wouldn't come out until the other one seemed to get his fill of food and then go "nap" in his cave. But if the aggressive one saw him out he'd chase him. He started fighting back a little, but then one morning he disappeared. He didn't come out for food and I couldn't find him anywhere. I then found my crab hiding in his cave chewing on a fish head. So not sure how he died, but he was definitely dead.

Then the last one was fine, eating lots, even ate some frozen mysis shrimp that were half his size! He was very active and never hid when you came up to the tank.

A couple days ago I did a water change and he hid the whole time. It was his first water change since being in the new tank. I also rearranged the equipment some.

Yesterday I added a surface skimmer and new filter pad to the HOB filter. The fish was still hiding the whole time and didn't come out when I put food in the tank, but I could see him swimming in his little cave.

Then last night as I was about to go to bed, I decided to check the tank with a flashlight. Nothing was going on in the dark, but then suddenly the fish appeared in my view, which was weird. I then realized he was kind of being blown around and I got a bit scared. I fished him out, which was extremely easy, and put him in my HOB refugium with an airstone on low so he didn't have to fight the current and would have ample oxygen.

I observed him and he was struggling even with little current to stay right. Too high, too low, on his side, upside down, he couldn't get it right. He finally wedged himself in a spot to hold him still and seemed to rest. I thought he was dead, but he was still breathing. He was still breathing this morning until about 8am when he finally let go.

His body was fully intact, I saw no external signs of anything. His coloring was still good. His gills were salmon colored, his mouth closed, but I opened it and didn't see anything strange. His body was smooth, no bumps.

I don't know much about all the diseases out there, just the common ones.

My water parameters were 1.024, pH 8.1, ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates 5, phosphate 0. I tested ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates again this morning after his death and got the same results.
 

Bryce E

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Yeah it definitely sounds like a disease/parasite of some sort. That is the ENTIRE reason that I will not buy fish from *****. One just opened up where I live and when I went in there I noticed that all of the saltwater tanks in their display shared one large connected water system. (essentially one big community tank... try not having diseases with that kind of a set up) That is exactly why their entire fish stock also had Ich at the time of my visit... and the guy had absolutely no clue what he was talking about or what he was doing there when I asked him about it. Treated it like no big deal and was still trying to sell the fish saying that it's not a problem and they'll be fine... if you can believe that. And I saw tons of dead fish in their tanks... I could not believe my eyes.

I'd say that it was probably a disease and your best bet after you allow your tank to clear up... buy your fish from somewhere else. (Salwaterfish.com is good)
 

beaslbob

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From what I understand chromis are a schooling fish and you need 1 or more than 4.

And the chromis can be hard to keep or delicate.

Try a single male molly and see it that survives
 

Bryce E

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They can be kept singly or in a group. Currently I have 3 together. And chromis are very hardy fish, basically damsels .. one of the better choices for a new aquarium that's not yet up to snuff or perfect parameter wise and a great fish for beginners.

I'd say if they were all fine and were eating and started dying one by one then they most likely had something. I wouldn't add any new fish to your tank until you've given it some time because of it.
 

seecrabrun

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I don't want a molly, lol!

I'll just let it go fallow while I figure out what else to do. But I wonder if I should dose it with anything, or will leaving it empty for a couple months be enough?
 
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