Thinking about throwing in the towel...

lbannie

Member
Well I've had my 40 breeder tank for about 4 years now with plenty of ups and downs! I have 7 small fish and a couple softies. We're building a house soon, so I don't want to add anything else. After we move, my dream was to upgrade to a much larger tank with sump in basement. I've been doing some research and OMG the equipment I will need is so expensive!! I don't know if I would be able to swing it for the "proper" equipment.
So my new idea is to retire my salt tank, and upgrade to a larger cichlid tank. I find them to be the only fish almost as beautiful as marine fish.
Does this seem like a dumb idea? Has anyone done this? Right now I'm only running a canister filter, so I'm thinking my constant battles with the tank are because of lack of equipment and RO water. Should I save up and stay in salt? Or cheap out? ????
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by lbannie http:///t/396949/thinking-about-throwing-in-the-towel#post_3536880
Well I've had my 40 breeder tank for about 4 years now with plenty of ups and downs! I have 7 small fish and a couple softies. We're building a house soon, so I don't want to add anything else. After we move, my dream was to upgrade to a much larger tank with sump in basement. I've been doing some research and OMG the equipment I will need is so expensive!! I don't know if I would be able to swing it for the "proper" equipment.
So my new idea is to retire my salt tank, and upgrade to a larger cichlid tank. I find them to be the only fish almost as beautiful as marine fish.
Does this seem like a dumb idea? Has anyone done this? Right now I'm only running a canister filter, so I'm thinking my constant battles with the tank are because of lack of equipment and RO water. Should I save up and stay in salt? Or cheap out? ????

Hi,

I HATE cichlids, I kept them for a very short time...they remind me of damsels...evil little Sh_ts. Actually, I think hate damsels because they reminded me of the cichlids....I kept freshwater fish many. many years before going with a saltwater tank. I always wanted a saltwater tank, and didn't think I could keep one. a guy at work felt the same way and told me to try cichlids...I'm still kind of miffed at the guy, and NO they are not anything as pretty nor as interesting, as saltwater fish, not even close.

LOL, so I'm going to try and talk you into staying with salt. You don't need fancy equipment, macroalgae would eliminate even the need for a skimmer. If you don't go sump with a refugium chamber, an in-tank refugium or HOB would do just fine.

The hobby is only as expensive as you make it with your plans. I have a 90g tank, and for 10+ years I ran it with 2 canister filters and I had lots of corals. I want to explain: I had 2 canisters because I would clean one, and leave the other, to prevent spikes when I cleaned them really well each time. I didn't want to clean just 1/2 of the media of the canister.

That would mean that if you already have one, purchase one more. Power heads, you already have what you had for the breeder, again purchase one more. I paid $400.00 for my 90g tank and stand, with a canopy...brand spanking new. If I had waited another 2 weeks I could have gotten a 125g for the same price. ( I know...14 years ago) There are always used tanks and equipment too.

As for the RO unit, it serves for more then just the fish tank. I have RO water for both my 90g and 56g, and I have all the cooking and drinking water I want. I don't want to have to buy filters and fight the unit to get it open...I rent from Culligan, and they swap out my filters $39.99 a month, last TDS reading was 4, much better then Walmarts water, which I used for some years before Culligan, and never had an issue.

Rock and sand, use what you already have and add to it.

If you want a sump system ... It doesn't have to go into the basement. Have the new tank drilled, the return pump for that 4 foot distance will run around $250.00. Mine as well as most people, is inside my stand. Much cheaper then the monster pump you would need to push water from the basement.

Lighting can get expensive, UNLESS...you go with non-photosynthetic corals, which is much more colorful then anything the bright super light hungry corals have to offer. IMO, there is nothing more breath taking then the eye popping yellow of a sun coral, or the bright deep red with white stars for polyps on the red chili coral, just to name a few....the carnation corals, gorgonians, all beautiful. They would do very well under T5s, if you don't want to go with fancy lighting.
 

lbannie

Member
Good point flower! My idea for sump in the basement was to have the noise and mess down there. Like a dedicated fish room. I would like to go at least 180 gallons. I currently have a reefbreeders 36" led for lighting. I have quite a bit of time to decide this, I just get discouraged when my tank doesn't look so hot. But I think that's from not using RO water. (Algae)
Just seems nice to not have to buy more stuff and no more salt mix. I'm so torn!????
 

kank

New Member
I noticed you mentioned you had a Reefbreeders light and you say you have an algae issue! How long do you run the light for? Blues? Whites? I also have the same light and am fighting algae! Maybe we can figure something out! See if our light is our issue there!
 

lbannie

Member
Maybe? I thought it was because I don't use RO water. My lights run 14 hours I think. Start out just blue and go up to 40% on both white and color ( I have reds greens also) in middle of day and then go back to just blue with percentage goin down till it goes off
Are you happy with your light? Sometimes my coloring doesn't seem that great
 

kank

New Member
My corals love them! I ramping mine up to 30 white and 50 blue.... I was running them for 12 hours with them at the full light I allow for 4 hours. The rest of the time it's ramping up and ramping down. My lfs told me I had mine on too long and was running my white to high.
 

lbannie

Member
Do you have colored LEDs also? Mine is considered "full spectrum" I'm wondering if I upgrade to 6' long reef tank, will my 36" light be ok?
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by lbannie http:///t/396949/thinking-about-throwing-in-the-towel#post_3536928
Do you have colored LEDs also? Mine is considered "full spectrum" I'm wondering if I upgrade to 6' long reef tank, will my 36" light be ok?


Hi,

I once had my MH unit die on one side....If you put the light needy corals under the bright lights and put non-photosynthetic or low light corals in the darker areas, you could do that.
 

silverado61

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zoidberg01

Member
Well I have both freshwater and saltwater and if you are going to get a freshwater put interesting fish with attitudes not just colorfull fish that swim get fish with personality like discus and swordtails , rainbows because I always found cychlids kinda boring and they are aggressive most of the time so if you're throwing the towel and give up saltwater crwate a really good freshwater aquarium
 

lbannie

Member
Well I think I'm stayin on the SALTY side!! You can't beat the color variations in the fish and the reward of coral growth. I think the extra work is worth it.
I still want my sump (which I don't have now) in the basement of our new house. I just found a sweet deal on a used Lifegard SeaHorse 3/4 HP pump. Is this a good brand? Seem to use more energy than a reeflo but its under $100. Would it be ok to sit around for quite a while?
 
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