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FoxyG

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I'm totally new to this hobby, I have dove in head first and already have a passion for this. I purchased a 90 gallon tank for my first tank and have enjoyed every minuet of this. I bought a saltwater test kit and wanted to know if what I'm seeing in the test results are normal or not. Tank has been setup for 14 days with fish in is for 12 days. My current ammonia levels are 1.0 ppm my nitrites are 1.0 ppm as of today my nitrates are 10 ppm. ammonia levels have not started decreasing as of yet. Just want to make sure I'm doing things right. As for fish there were 10 to start 2 died the first night another died a week later. all fish in the tank are damsels. Any help and or suggestions are appreciated.
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
Welcome to the hobby.
Now to your questions. Way way way too many fish to start. Cycling with fish is a horrible idea. Your ammonia isn't dropping bc its still more then your bacteria can handle. Do you have live rock? If so how much?
 

FoxyG

New Member
Welcome to the hobby.
Now to your questions. Way way way too many fish to start. Cycling with fish is a horrible idea. Your ammonia isn't dropping bc its still more then your bacteria can handle. Do you have live rock? If so how much?
No live rock at all, was told at the location that I bought the tank that for a fish only tank it would not be a good idea.
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
Bad bad bad. Live rock is more important to sw then a filter. No iam not joking. Live rock is the base that all that bacteria lives on, that breaks down ammonia and helps your nitrogen cycle.
Personal suggestions. 1 get a new store to buy from.
2 return/ rehome the damsels.
3 get live rock. For your tank 70-100lbs. Now if cost is an issue get about 20lbs to start. Do not do any water changes. You have the ammonia now, so let the rock do its job
 

lmforbis

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Live rock is a very important part of the filtration system. You need it. It can be dry rock with just a little bit of live by you need that surface area for the bacteria to colonize. The small Amy of live is to provide the bacterial cultures.
I'd start with a significant water change to get the ammonia down then go out and get a bottle of bacteria like Dr Tims One and Only. There are others I just don't know the names. Dump it in to help get the bacteria going. the poor fish. Ammonia burns the gills of the fish it is painful and may kill them. I usually takes 4-8 weeks to get a tank safe for fish. Next find another fish store the one you use is not a good one.
 

FoxyG

New Member
Bad bad bad. Live rock is more important to sw then a filter. No iam not joking. Live rock is the base that all that bacteria lives on, that breaks down ammonia and helps your nitrogen cycle.
Personal suggestions. 1 get a new store to buy from.
2 return/ rehome the damsels.
3 get live rock. For your tank 70-100lbs. Now if cost is an issue get about 20lbs to start. Do not do any water changes. You have the ammonia now, so let the rock do its job
Thank You very much I will work on this process over the weekend.
 

FoxyG

New Member
Bad bad bad. Live rock is more important to sw then a filter. No iam not joking. Live rock is the base that all that bacteria lives on, that breaks down ammonia and helps your nitrogen cycle.
Personal suggestions. 1 get a new store to buy from.
2 return/ rehome the damsels.
3 get live rock. For your tank 70-100lbs. Now if cost is an issue get about 20lbs to start. Do not do any water changes. You have the ammonia now, so let the rock do its job
Thank You for the advice.
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
Np. Fish stores unfortunately are not reliable for good advice alot of the time. If u do keep the fish i agree with imforbis. Do a water change to knock it down
 

FoxyG

New Member
Np. Fish stores unfortunately are not reliable for good advice alot of the time. If u do keep the fish i agree with imforbis. Do a water change to knock it down
This is exactly why I went to a forum to look for answers and help.
 

geridoc

Well-Known Member
Wow - this is a textbook case of how a lfs misdirects a novice. Shame on them! IMHO it is very important that you rehome the damsels. Your tank should be able to eventually display some beautiful fish, but should any of the damsels survive the high ammonia levels, they will be come highly aggressive and attack any other fish you add, and even your hands (they can draw blood). So, out with the damsels asap. Get some liverock and more base (not live), a total of around 80-90 pounds should do it, and add it to the tank. If the ammonia is at 1.0 when you add the rock, do nothing else except measure ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. Within a few weeks the ammonia levels will fall, the nitrite level will rise, and finally the nitrites will fall and the nitrates may rise. At this time your tank will be ready for the addition of fish, but only 1 at a time, and optimally, after quarantine. There are plenty of threads here about how to set up an effective and inexpensive quarantine tank. After more than 40 years of keeping marine fish I can assure you that an effective quarantine will keep more of your fish alive than will any other filter, skimmer or whatever, that you have in your system! Welcome to this site. You will find good advice here from fishkeepers who have no financial interest in selling you something, and are only interested in your success in this sometimes frustrating hobby. I say frustrating because I am personally frustrated at the terrible advice you have gotten from your lfs, but have patience and faith - we will get you straightened out.
 

beaslbob

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whatever you do stop adding food until ammonia is .25ppm or less and nitrItes are unmeasurable.

Some other suggestions:

1) add some macro algae to your system. Best in a refugium which can be just a tank partition to separate the livestock from the macros.

2) try using male mollies. Yep common FW mollies can be acclimated to full marine. And don't feed them for a week. Then start very small feedings like 1 flake/fish/day for a week. When you get the mollies to live for a few weeks you have a very reliable indication that more expensive marine only fish can survive and thrive also.


Still that just my .02
 
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