Tragedy - need advice for recovery

sooz

Member
I had a tragedy this weekend.
On Friday I came home from work as usual, fed the tank, everything looked fine. Got a small shock when I touched the light fixture, but from time to time I get an electrical shock when I am dealing with the tank, and have been told that this is very normal, due to salt-creep and such: if I touch the water and also the metal I can cause a small shock. (Question #1: Please tell me if this is a LIE!!)
Anyhow, I went upstairs, and about an hour later I noticed a smell - like an electrical burning. I immediately tried to find the source of the smell and when I could not find it at first I started getting panicky - thinking I had an electrical wire burning in my walls.
Then I remembered the fish tank. I went over to it, and the smell was stronger. Then I saw dead fish, and it all clicked in my head. I unplugged everything, real fast, but it was too late. 3 of them lived for a few hours, but after being shocked for an hour they could not recover. There was a layer of black char on the surface of the water, which I assume came from any uneaten food or protein in the water.
I skimmed that off, and since some of the fish were still breathing, I waited a while before scooping out the dead fish. I was hoping some of them were just stunned and would come out of it, and in fact my Coral Beauty was not breathing, then she suddenly stirred, took off, swam around the tank really fast a few times, then dove into the LR. My very favorite fish (Diamond Watchman Goby) lived for about 4 hours - I really thought he was going to make it, but he eventually went into the LR too, and when I checked he was gone. :-( The PJ Cardinals lived almost that long, but they succumbed too.
The culprit turned out to be one of my powerheads (a cheap R-- one, and I will never buy one of their products again!) I tested each thing (heater, powerheads) in a bucket of tank water, and the 200 PH gave me a hell of a shock. Apparently it developed some sort of short and was just pumping electricity into the water.
Interestingly, my invertebrates (my starfish, my lobster, the feather dusters, the little crabs and the snails) seem to all be OK. Question #2: Why weren't the invertebrates affected?
Is it because their nervous systems are different/more rudimentary, or because they were touching the rock/sand and were therefore grounded? I am glad to not lose them, of course.
Now I have an almost empty tank, and I won't lie, I cried a bucket on Friday and Saturday. I took some water Sat. morning to my LFS (the good one, not the megachains) and she tested my water - said the pH was a little low but all else was ok.
Question #3: How soon should I try to introduce new fish to my tank?
I plan to go VERY SLOWLY with this, trust me, but I don't know enough about chemistry and physics to know if my water/bacterial cycle is damaged from this or not. The invertebrates seem perfectly fine and normal, but what about fish?
Question #4: Does anyone know how I can ground my tank
so that this will never happen again?
Question #5:
I don't do coral, but does anyone know - would coral have been destroyed, like the fish, or spared, like the inverts?
Lost: 1 Diamond Watchman Goby, 1 Coral Beauty, 1 sixline wrasse, 2 BIG Pajama Cardinals, 3 Blue-Green Chromis, 1 Springer's Dottyback, 1 Banggai Cardinal
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Q #1, no, there should be no level of shock in the tank. With certain lighting fixtures, some of them ground to themselves (the fans and such) and indeed, salt creep will sometimes bring problems to the surface.
Q #2, correct, more or less because all of those reasons, they are 'simplier' in composition so the temporary shock doesn't affect them as much or as soon as fish. 99.9% of tanks aren't grounded so touching the LR has no effect.
Q #3, the tank itself should be relatively unaffected. There has to be a certain spike of ammonia from the dead fish. Test and monitor amm., and nitrites and nitrates. If you don't see anything, I would give it 2-4 weeks to be safe.
Q #4, yes, commercially made grounding probes are readily available.
Q #5, depends, some of the more 'fleshy' corals like leathers and some LPS likely wouldn't have taken the shock too well.
I am very sorry for your losses. I would not recommend testing equipment for electricity again by using yourself. If the piece of equipment that failed was something more powerful, like a big ole Mag 24 or something, you really could have hurt yourself.
 

spanko

Active Member
It is also advisable to install and use a GFIC plug and all equipment from your tank should go through it. This will trip in case there is an electrical problem with any of your equipment.
 

sooz

Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/2575231
It is also advisable to install and use a GFIC plug and all equipment from your tank should go through it. This will trip in case there is an electrical problem with any of your equipment.
Would something like this be sufficient: Plug
Or does it need to be something like this: Strip
 

sooz

Member
Thanks Aquaknight, for the replies. I plan to replace my light fixture anyway, as it is pretty old, and has metal housing.
My ammonioa level was OK as of Saturday - I had all of the dead fish out within 12 hours of the tragedy so surely I shouldn't have a spike - or not much. I plan to check the water every couple of days for awhile though.
Good advice on the using myself to test. It was stupid of me - I was just, well, at that time i was out of my head - trying to find out what had murdered my fish, knowing I needed to restore filtration and circulation as soon as I could.
 

spanko

Active Member
Originally Posted by sooz
http:///forum/post/2575259
Would something like this be sufficient: Plug
Or does it need to be something like this: Strip
Can't answer to the question of sufficient. I have installed the one that replaces the wall outlet. You may have one in your bathroom or kitchen.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Yea, I would only use a professionally installed GFCI wall outlet. I used one of surge protector strips, and one time I had knocked my sump light into the sump. The strip did nothing, while the light popped and sizzled as I raced to unplug everything.
 

sooz

Member
None of the outlets in our house are GFCI - built in 1983. I will look into at least getting this one replaced!.
Any experience with grounding probles? I think I will get one of those, too.
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
I would never tell anyone to do something they are not comfortable with( just ask my wife) but if you know where to trip the breaker in your panel box and which end of the

[hr]
driver to use, you can install the GFCI outlets by your self and use the money you would give to an electrician on our tank
 

prime311

Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2575289
Yea, I would only use a professionally installed GFCI wall outlet. I used one of surge protector strips, and one time I had knocked my sump light into the sump. The strip did nothing, while the light popped and sizzled as I raced to unplug everything.

A surge protector isn't a GFCI so it wouldn't trip in this case. I use a GFCI power strip similar to the one he has linked, but I've never had power issues or any willingness to 'try it out' heh.
 

sooz

Member
I know how to trip breakers and how to use screwdrivers :)
Whatever I have to do to assure this does not happen again!!
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sooz
http:///forum/post/2575364
I know how to trip breakers and how to use screwdrivers :)
Whatever I have to do to assure this does not happen again!!
Go to your local hardware store buy a GFCI which everyone knows is Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter its a simple out with the old and in with the new if you have any trouble just take a pic of the old outlet with the cover off and im sure we can talk you through it
 
WOW! That would have crushed me. I am worrying about two tangs now that are in a hospital tank. I can't imagine going through what you've mentioned.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Consider yourself very lucky that it was your fish that died, and not you, or someone in your family.
Get an electrician to check everything out, and install a GFCI.
 

sooz

Member
Update: I now have a GFCI outlet, I have ordered a titanium grounding probe which should arrive very soon, I installed new powerheads and a new light fixture (it was also giving me small shocks, and was old as dirt, plus I decided I wanted a 50/50 light). I was going to replace the heater, too, but decided with the grounding probe I could forego that for now.
Best news of all - I have 4 blue-green chromis that have been in the tank for nearly 48 hours and they are all alive and well. So apparently my water is ok. :) Let the slow & steady rebuilding begin.
It was a really sad, really horrible experience, but I have learned a lot from it, and like Beth said, at least it was the fish and not me! I feel better with some electrical safeguards in place.
 

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
can you tell us what brand powerhead kicked the bucket, and how old it was? I don't want to sound cruel, but maybe sharing your terrible learning experience with us younger hobbyists might help others in the long run...like maybe avoid that brand, or when to start thinking about changing powerheads or heaters, just to be safe.
After reading this post (and my heart went out to ya!!) I'm getting a grounding probe from my LFS tomorrow!!!!
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by sooz
http:///forum/post/2577905
Update: I now have a GFCI outlet, I have ordered a titanium grounding probe which should arrive very soon, I installed new powerheads and a new light fixture (it was also giving me small shocks, and was old as dirt, plus I decided I wanted a 50/50 light). I was going to replace the heater, too, but decided with the grounding probe I could forego that for now.
Best news of all - I have 4 blue-green chromis that have been in the tank for nearly 48 hours and they are all alive and well. So apparently my water is ok. :) Let the slow & steady rebuilding begin.
It was a really sad, really horrible experience, but I have learned a lot from it, and like Beth said, at least it was the fish and not me! I feel better with some electrical safeguards in place.
Excellent! I am glad that the new fish are doing well. With the GFCI outlet and the grounding probe, your tank should be fairly safe now.
 

skipperdz

Active Member
this happened to me last week, i lost all 7 of my fish and my blood shrimp. my softies, hermits, snails and cucumber survived.
it was my rio 600 pump that went to my refugium the blewup...literally. im out bout 250 plus the pump. my lfs is working on getting me refunded for everything, putting pressure on them saying "we will take rio off the shelfs etc." may or may not work but its worth a try anyway. it was still under warranty
 
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