updgrade - biowheel ?

keith gray

Member
I currently have a 65gl with compacts. I am upgrading to a 75 gal with 500 watts of metal halides. This is a used systemt that I am buying from my LFS. The sump has a biowheel. I am not familiar with these. Anybody out there have expereince with this or have an opinion on them ?
 

florida joe

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Bio wheels are usually incorporated into a hang on back filter the Wheel filter which I am sure you know has folded pleats that increase the surface area to provide more living space for the bacteria can you post a pic of your system IMO they do an excellent for smaller tanks
 

beaslbob

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FWIW I have never used a biowheel but some customers at the LFS do report 0 nitrates using iflters with biowheels.
Just looking at the design/concept I would guess that algae grows on the wheel so it functions much the same as a small algae truf scrubber. Which would explain the 0 nitrates reports.
still just my .02
 

deejeff442

Active Member
i run doube bio wheels on two of my tanks and have no nitrate problems.
now a wet/dry well that is a nitrate factory if you dont clean the balls.
 

novahobbies

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I'll probably get yelled at or saying this, but I wish people would stop using the term nitrate factory as if it's a bad thing. It's NOT. Of course bioballs are nitrate factories....they're supposed to be. Biowheels also should be nitrate factories if they're doing their jobs.
Both of these forms of biological filtrations are aerobic filters -- they both use highly oxygenated environments with massive surface areas ( the folds in the biowheels, the convoluted folds and spikes of the bioballs) to encourage aerobic bacterial growth. The aerobic bacterias such as nirosomonas and nitrospira
convert Ammonia into Nitrite, and Nitrite into Nitrate. That is all they are supposed to do.
When a person says that "Oh, filter X is a nitrate factory," doesn't that mean that the filter is working?
Neither of these filters were designed to remove nitrate.
Nitrate removal can be facilitated in three ways. Manual removal via water changes is the first, most obvious and most difficult way to do it (IMO of course). It's time consuming and requires major water changes, but it works.
Another manual removal technique involves cultivation of macro algae. Regardless if it's a turf scrubber or Chaeto/Caulerpa in a sump, any of these algaes will take up good amounts of nitrates for use in their cells. The key to this form of nitrate removal is the diligent removal of excess algae by harvesting your algae weekly. Allowing it to grow back means more nitrate removal for your tank.
The third way I know of to remove nitrates is to cultivate anaerobic bacteria. This is done with a deep sand bed, a plenum, or large amounts of live rock. The anaerobic bacteria in the low-oxygen environments I just mentioned will convert Nitrate into nitrogen to be released as a gas.
The fourth way (Four -- there are FOUR ways to remove nitrates. No One expects the Spanish Inquisition!!)
The fourth way is of course a Nitrate reactor, where you are deliberately creating a low-oxygen environment for the nitrate loving bacteria.
But we already know all this, don't we? So why do people say that a filter is a "nitrate factory?" Just deal with the nitrates and be happy your filter is doing such a good job sucking up Ammonia and Nitrites!
OK. Stepping off my soapbox now. Feel free to bash wherever appropriate.
 

deejeff442

Active Member
personally idont worry much about nitrates .since i do regular water changes .
i justthink a wet/dry is an outdated system.
 

reefkprz

Active Member

Originally Posted by novahobbies
http:///forum/post/3236456
I'll probably get yelled at or saying this, but I wish people would stop using the term nitrate factory as if it's a bad thing. It's NOT. Of course bioballs are nitrate factories....they're supposed to be. Biowheels also should be nitrate factories if they're doing their jobs.
Both of these forms of biological filtrations are aerobic filters -- they both use highly oxygenated environments with massive surface areas ( the folds in the biowheels, the convoluted folds and spikes of the bioballs) to encourage aerobic bacterial growth. The aerobic bacterias such as nirosomonas
and nitrospira
convert Ammonia into Nitrite, and Nitrite into Nitrate. That is all they are supposed to do.
When a person says that "Oh, filter X is a nitrate factory," doesn't that mean that the filter is working?
Neither of these filters were designed to remove nitrate.
Nitrate removal can be facilitated in three ways. Manual removal via water changes is the first, most obvious and most difficult way to do it (IMO of course). It's time consuming and requires major water changes, but it works.
Another manual removal technique involves cultivation of macro algae. Regardless if it's a turf scrubber or Chaeto/Caulerpa in a sump, any of these algaes will take up good amounts of nitrates for use in their cells. The key to this form of nitrate removal is the diligent removal of excess algae by harvesting your algae weekly. Allowing it to grow back means more nitrate removal for your tank.
The third way I know of to remove nitrates is to cultivate anaerobic bacteria. This is done with a deep sand bed, a plenum, or large amounts of live rock. The anaerobic bacteria in the low-oxygen environments I just mentioned will convert Nitrate into nitrogen to be released as a gas.
The fourth way (Four -- there are FOUR ways to remove nitrates. No One expects the Spanish Inquisition!!)
The fourth way is of course a Nitrate reactor, where you are deliberately creating a low-oxygen environment for the nitrate loving bacteria.
But we already know all this, don't we? So why do people say that a filter is a "nitrate factory?" Just deal with the nitrates and be happy your filter is doing such a good job sucking up Ammonia and Nitrites!
OK. Stepping off my soapbox now. Feel free to bash wherever appropriate.

 
R

rcreations

Guest
My QT tank has a large biowheel hang-on back filter and it does a great job I think.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Originally Posted by Keith Gray
http:///forum/post/3234748
I currently have a 65gl with compacts. I am upgrading to a 75 gal with 500 watts of metal halides. This is a used systemt that I am buying from my LFS. The sump has a biowheel. I am not familiar with these. Anybody out there have expereince with this or have an opinion on them ?
Tidepool sump?
 

deejeff442

Active Member
noisy as hell,too much maintenance cleaning,take up too much room,
now with algea scrubbers ,fuges with plants and chato ,high tech skimmers.i dont see why someone would go with a wet/dry anymore.
 

ryant

Member
I had two bio wheels running. My nitrate levels where around 25 ppm and I was told to remove the wheels to help lower. After removing them my nitrates stay around 5 ppm.
 

beaslbob

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3236975
personally idont worry much about nitrates .since i do regular water changes .
IMHO if you don't get the nitrates being consumed as fast as they are being generated, you will have nitrates even with water changes. especially with water changes schedules anywhere near convienent to hobbiest like 10% per week or so.
i justthink a wet/dry is an outdated system.
So? Just because a system is "outdated" does not mean is it is not effective.
my .02
 

deejeff442

Active Member
i didnt say it isnt effective.i am saying if i were to start up a new system iwould go a different route.i had a big wet/dry on my 150 fowlr tank for years.
i didnt lke the noise and cleaning of it.
 
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