Use Your GFCI's People!

2quills

Well-Known Member
Just a reminder why it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to protect our family members as well as ourselves around our Aquariums.
11 year old girl electrocuted retrieving a golf ball from a pond at a mini golf course because of a faulty piece of equipment. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12459803-resort-11-year-old-girl-electrocuted-at-mini-golf-course-in-florida
Please use quality GFCI outlets. All the big chain box stores carry reputable brands. There should be no argument for going with cheaper devices when it comes to these things.
 

jaodissa

Member
Heart breaking. I don't think our house has GFCI outlets other than in the kitchen. I will have to call our housing and see if I can get approval to have one installed.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by Jaodissa http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480661
Heart breaking. I don't think our house has GFCI outlets other than in the kitchen. I will have to call our housing and see if I can get approval to have one installed.
They have adaptors too. You don't have to re-wire, just plug in the GFCI and then the tank equipment as usual....no need for housing to know anything.
 
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jeffs

Guest
Is this the same as a power strip with circuit breaker, or should I be looking a something else? Could you link an example please?
 

jaodissa

Member
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480698
LOL...when it comes to renting...I really didn't want the landlord to know we had SW tanks, it makes them nervous.
We live on a military base so it's even worse lol! Inspections all the time, everything has to be done in writing with approval. I can't even paint my walls.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by JeffS http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480732
Is this the same as a power strip with circuit breaker, or should I be looking a something else? Could you link an example please?

A circuit breaker is designed for over current protection. Meaning if you try to overload a circuit the breaker will trip in order to protect the wiring from over heating and burning up.
A gfci device is designed to detect a loss of current
. In the event of a ground fault situation like when a heater in one of our aquariums fails and begins to leak electricity into the tank. When this happens and an unsuspecting hobbyist goes to stick their hand in the tank they all of a sudden become a alternate path to ground for that electricity to flow throw. The gfci will sense that electrical current is being lost between the hot and neutral legs of the device and therefor trip and thus cutting power to the circuit while hopefully saving either your life or yourself from a potentially painful event.
So they preform different tasks and therefore neither one can act as a substitute for the other.
Generally the portable devices are not considered as safe actual receptacles but they are better than nothing. Make sure to always check your devices regularly to see if they're working properly. Things like lightning strikes and power surges, even small ones, over time can damage the devices to the point where they can fail or not react quickly enough when you need it the most.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by Jaodissa http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480760
We live on a military base so it's even worse lol! Inspections all the time, everything has to be done in writing with approval. I can't even paint my walls.
I don't knoow about Uncle Sams housing...but for us regular folks,
...never decorate, repair or upgrade any home that is not yours and never on your dime. It may sound harsh but I have had landlords that raised my rent because I had the nicest apartment....I put in carpeting and a new sticky tile floor...the guy raised my rent $200.00 more..we moved out, and I learned my lesson. My husband wanted to rip up the flooring but then we could be charged for distroying the place...nailed down, stuck down, whatever...it is permanent. So use the adaptor GFCIs and do nothing more to the place. Return it to them in the same condition you rented it...Let them hire painters every couple of years, I wouldn't even do that to a rented place. I lived with white walls because if you select another color it must be repainted white when you leave...They use, or spend fo,r the cheapest paint and it doesn't cover, so you end up not getting your deposit back.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
The adapters would probably be the best compromise in that type of situation. Though some properties might not really sweat it, others probably would. Typically I don't think they'd want residents messing with the electrical, especially since it could put others at risk. Though most maintenance guys are not licensed electricians anyway since it isn't required to work for apartments or property management companies. Major changes to electrical, yes...but changing out receptacles, switches and light fixtures is pretty intermediate stuff.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480776
The adapters would probably be the best compromise in that type of situation. Though some properties might not really sweat it, others probably would. Typically I don't think they'd want residents messing with the electrical, especially since it could put others at risk. Though most maintenance guys are not licensed electricians anyway since it isn't required to work for apartments or property management companies. Major changes to electrical, yes...but changing out receptacles, switches and light fixtures is pretty intermediate stuff.
I had to laugh...When I first moved into my house, it was rent with the option to buy. I made sure to request from the landlord permission to upgrade the electricity for my fish tank...The half of my wall was cut out, the wires redone and 4 double GFCI outlets installed where I had two at top level of the tank, and two at sump level... at a 6 foot distance apart. The landlord came over and saw us in the middle of the project...it looked like I had torn the house apart. If I were that landlord I would have panicked, but the guy I hired to do the work made it look exactly like it did before he cut out the wall when he was finished, but changing the electric from regular outlets to GFCI was no small intermediate task.
I agree that just swapping out an already established outlet is no big deal, but to get enough electricity to safely run a good sized tank...not so simple. Overloading outlets is dangerous even if it is GFCI.
Lets see on that one 90g tank I run:

  • Skimmer

  • Overflow Filter

  • Aquaripure nitrate filter

  • lifter pump

  • chiller

  • return pump

  • Lighting
    a small extra filter for the sump
    Duel carbon and phosphate reactor
    Moonlights
    Three power heads
    2 small air pumps
    A dosing pump.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480783
I had to laugh...When I first moved into my house, it was rent with the option to buy. I made sure to request from the landlord permission to upgrade the electricity for my fish tank...The half of my wall was cut out, the wires redone and 4 double GFCI outlets installed where I had two at top level of the tank, and two at sump level... at a 6 foot distance apart. The landlord came over and saw us in the middle of the project...it looked like I had torn the house apart. If I were that landlord I would have panicked, but the guy I hired to do the work made it look exactly like it did before he cut out the wall when he was finished, but changing the electric from regular outlets to GFCI was no small intermediate task.
I agree that just swapping out an already established outlet is no big deal, but to get enough electricity to safely run a good sized tank...not so simple. Overloading outlets is dangerous even if it is GFCI.
Lets see on that one 90g tank I run:

  • Skimmer

  • Overflow Filter

  • Aquaripure nitrate filter

  • lifter pump

  • chiller

  • return pump

  • Lighting
    a small extra filter for the sump
    Duel carbon and phosphate reactor
    Moonlights
    Three power heads
    2 small air pumps
    A dosing pump.
Yeah, I really can't stress enough why it's important to understand the electrical circuits in your home and what they are rated for and what kind of condition they are in.
I've added up most of your equipment on that list there Flower and at best I think you're pushing right around 1000 watts to run all of that equipment. If I had more specifics I could give you more of a definite number. The typical 20 amp circuit in a home is rated for 2,400 watts but the national electrical code states that you should never exceed more than 80% or a circuits maximum rating for safety reasons. So that would put a typical 20 amp circuit right around 1,900 watts that you could run safely.
But it's important to know what you have. Because a lot of homes only have 15 amp circuits rated for 1800 watts which puts them more around the 1450 watt max range if you follow the guidelines. But in the average home the aquarium is probably not the only thing being used on that one circuit. And therefor, yes, it can be quite easy to accidentally over load a circuit if someone is not paying attention to the specifics. The breakers should trip in the event that the circuit becomes overloaded but breakers can become wore out and fail over time if not properly maintained and inspected fairly regularly and this can have the potential to lead to big problems.
A lot of times I'll see a ton of equipment that being plugged into a single power strip or under rated extension cords being used to power multiple devices and this can be very dangerous.
We do these things at our own risk so if your family and your houses safety is a big concern for you than everyone should really make an effort to understand what's going on.
 

kiefers

Active Member
You run all of that in your 90? OMG Corey! Seriously?
on my 56 I run......
Overflow/pump
smart wave with two 750's
Wave point lights/ wave point moonlights
skimmer
heater
I feel so ..........cave man, primative........ lackking. *big sigh*
However,....... Keepin it simple
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/392155/use-your-gfcis-people#post_3480806
Yeah, I really can't stress enough why it's important to understand the electrical circuits in your home and what they are rated for and what kind of condition they are in.
I've added up most of your equipment on that list there Flower and at best I think you're pushing right around 1000 watts to run all of that equipment. If I had more specifics I could give you more of a definite number. The typical 20 amp circuit in a home is rated for 2,400 watts but the national electrical code states that you should never exceed more than 80% or a circuits maximum rating for safety reasons. So that would put a typical 20 amp circuit right around 1,900 watts that you could run safely.
But it's important to know what you have. Because a lot of homes only have 15 amp circuits rated for 1800 watts which puts them more around the 1450 watt max range if you follow the guidelines. But in the average home the aquarium is probably not the only thing being used on that one circuit. And therefor, yes, it can be quite easy to accidentally over load a circuit if someone is not paying attention to the specifics. The breakers should trip in the event that the circuit becomes overloaded but breakers can become wore out and fail over time if not properly maintained and inspected fairly regularly and this can have the potential to lead to big problems.
A lot of times I'll see a ton of equipment that being plugged into a single power strip or under rated extension cords being used to power multiple devices and this can be very dangerous.
We do these things at our own risk so if your family and your houses safety is a big concern for you than everyone should really make an effort to understand what's going on.
LOL...I only understood about 1/3 of what you said, I'm just not that smart. My goal was to go above and beyond what I would ever need. Many times in the past even since I had freshwater tanks, I had everything loaded on that single power strip with an extension cord....behind the tank. So if the tank ever overflowed the result would send little electric fingers out of every socket in the house, and seek out everyone alive to kill us like in the SiFi movies. So when I found out about GFCI outlets I put them everywhere in hopes of being safe.
So in the past...I had quite a fire hazard and after being on this site and someone suffered a fire...I wised up. I can't tell you what a blessing this site and the people like yourself have been these past few years. I've learned so much and made such good friends, although I have never met but one of my cyber friends face to face, I feel like I know you folks like my own family.
 
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jeffs

Guest
Ok so I got this GFCI plugged in to the wall and then my power strip in to it, the test and reset buttons work, so I hope now I am safe! Picked it up at Home Depot down the road.
Thanks for the thread, I'm learning alot, and saving my life too!
 
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