UV sterilizer
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mx mr bean
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It wont elminate it from the fish but in my experience they have helped control outbreaks. You will get mixed feelings on them but I would not run a reef without one since they help kill floating organisms. Many people will say that it kills beneficial bacteria too which is partially true but in perspective your majority of good bacteria is set in your rocks so even if a bit floats around in the water column and gets killed in the UV it isn't significant enough to not run one. Hope i could help 
slider101
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Originally Posted by mx Mr Bean
http:///forum/post/2958756
It wont elminate it from the fish but in my experience they have helped control outbreaks. You will get mixed feelings on them but I would not run a reef without one since they help kill floating organisms. Many people will say that it kills beneficial bacteria too which is partially true but in perspective your majority of good bacteria is set in your rocks so even if a bit floats around in the water column and gets killed in the UV it isn't significant enough to not run one. Hope i could help
Yeah, I know it wont get the ich off the fish but I was wondering once it detaches itself from the fish and floating around the water column would it kill it. Sounds like you answered my question. THanks What about help controlling Cyano? Since it is a bacteria and I know that UV helps kill bacteria.
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It wont elminate it from the fish but in my experience they have helped control outbreaks. You will get mixed feelings on them but I would not run a reef without one since they help kill floating organisms. Many people will say that it kills beneficial bacteria too which is partially true but in perspective your majority of good bacteria is set in your rocks so even if a bit floats around in the water column and gets killed in the UV it isn't significant enough to not run one. Hope i could help
Yeah, I know it wont get the ich off the fish but I was wondering once it detaches itself from the fish and floating around the water column would it kill it. Sounds like you answered my question. THanks What about help controlling Cyano? Since it is a bacteria and I know that UV helps kill bacteria.
srfisher17
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IMO, the biggest benefit of UV is controlling algae; that's why pondkeepers love them. They cannot cure an ich infestation; every bug would have to be drawn into the UV before it found a fish host. When an ich parasite detaches after feeding in a fish, it drops to the bottom (it doesn't float around the water column for long), stays dormant a while (out of UV reach); then releases hundreds of new parasites. What are the odds of every one of these new parasites passing through UV before finding a fish? Zero. If even one finds a fish before the UV gets it...the cycle continues. Until there is some reliable source info that says otherwise; I'll stick to my opinion that ich can only be conquered by copper or hypo.
slider101
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Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2959563
IMO, the biggest benefit of UV is controlling algae; that's why pondkeepers love them. They cannot cure an ich infestation; every bug would have to be drawn into the UV before it found a fish host. When an ich parasite detaches after feeding in a fish, it drops to the bottom (it doesn't float around the water column for long), stays dormant a while (out of UV reach); then releases hundreds of new parasites. What are the odds of every one of these new parasites passing through UV before finding a fish? Zero. If even one finds a fish before the UV gets it...the cycle continues. Until there is some reliable source info that says otherwise; I'll stick to my opinion that ich can only be conquered by copper or hypo.
How long do I have to hypo the tank?
http:///forum/post/2959563
IMO, the biggest benefit of UV is controlling algae; that's why pondkeepers love them. They cannot cure an ich infestation; every bug would have to be drawn into the UV before it found a fish host. When an ich parasite detaches after feeding in a fish, it drops to the bottom (it doesn't float around the water column for long), stays dormant a while (out of UV reach); then releases hundreds of new parasites. What are the odds of every one of these new parasites passing through UV before finding a fish? Zero. If even one finds a fish before the UV gets it...the cycle continues. Until there is some reliable source info that says otherwise; I'll stick to my opinion that ich can only be conquered by copper or hypo.
How long do I have to hypo the tank?
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usirchchris
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Originally Posted by slider101
http:///forum/post/2959585
How long do I have to hypo the tank?
You will get mixed responses to this...4-8 weeks seems to be the general consensus among the debaters...I do 6. Also along with what srfisher stated in regards to the UV and ich...another problem is that you have to have a slow enough flow into the UV and strong enough light to kill the bug. UV's easily kill off algae, but to kill the parasite requires a more exact science that is not easily achieved IMO, and you are not going to find a legitimate set of instructions telling you what that correct flow and light amount is. At least not from the manufacturer of the light or distributor of that light. They will provide claims, but if you go with the GPH provided by them you will not kill the bugs. JMHO
http:///forum/post/2959585
How long do I have to hypo the tank?
You will get mixed responses to this...4-8 weeks seems to be the general consensus among the debaters...I do 6. Also along with what srfisher stated in regards to the UV and ich...another problem is that you have to have a slow enough flow into the UV and strong enough light to kill the bug. UV's easily kill off algae, but to kill the parasite requires a more exact science that is not easily achieved IMO, and you are not going to find a legitimate set of instructions telling you what that correct flow and light amount is. At least not from the manufacturer of the light or distributor of that light. They will provide claims, but if you go with the GPH provided by them you will not kill the bugs. JMHO
srfisher17
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Originally Posted by slider101 http:///forum/post/2959585
How long do I have to hypo the tank?
Kostanza makes a good point about UV; I believe the confusion comes from the fact that UV is not designed to cure a parasite infestation in the first place; it is more preventive medicine.
I see you have this posted in the disease section; you'll get good help there.Also; I'd suggest yo read this entire thread from the top of that forum section. It will give you lots of invaluable info on ich, hypo, etc. Unfortunately, there just isn't an easy way to cure ich. I'd try to get a QT (try Craig's List and you'll avoid this in the future. BTW: if its any consolation, about everyone in the hobby has learned the value of QT the hard way. Here's the link: https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
How long do I have to hypo the tank?
Kostanza makes a good point about UV; I believe the confusion comes from the fact that UV is not designed to cure a parasite infestation in the first place; it is more preventive medicine.
I see you have this posted in the disease section; you'll get good help there.Also; I'd suggest yo read this entire thread from the top of that forum section. It will give you lots of invaluable info on ich, hypo, etc. Unfortunately, there just isn't an easy way to cure ich. I'd try to get a QT (try Craig's List and you'll avoid this in the future. BTW: if its any consolation, about everyone in the hobby has learned the value of QT the hard way. Here's the link: https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
mx mr bean
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Ahh hypo lol I've always said I would eventually get to it but im too lazy unfortunately. My fish have been doing fine even with the parasite in the tank but if you have the time to accomplish this or the patience to quarantine your fish in hyposalinity before putting them in your display tank then there will be one less problem to deal with (which is always a plus in this hobby).
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by mx Mr Bean
http:///forum/post/2959756
Ahh hypo lol I've always said I would eventually get to it but im too lazy unfortunately. My fish have been doing fine even with the parasite in the tank but if you have the time to accomplish this or the patience to quarantine your fish in hyposalinity before putting them in your display tank then there will be one less problem to deal with (which is always a plus in this hobby).
If you really do have ich in the tank; I wouldn't assume all is well. Ich goes through a phase where it often seems to dissappear, then returns in much higher (and fatal) numbers. Are you sure you have ich? healthy fish can fight a bug off; but not the numbers of parasites produced in the small confines of our tanks. It is very, very unusual to have a true ich infestation disappear on its own. Fish with visible ich do not act normally, it may be something else.
http:///forum/post/2959756
Ahh hypo lol I've always said I would eventually get to it but im too lazy unfortunately. My fish have been doing fine even with the parasite in the tank but if you have the time to accomplish this or the patience to quarantine your fish in hyposalinity before putting them in your display tank then there will be one less problem to deal with (which is always a plus in this hobby).
If you really do have ich in the tank; I wouldn't assume all is well. Ich goes through a phase where it often seems to dissappear, then returns in much higher (and fatal) numbers. Are you sure you have ich? healthy fish can fight a bug off; but not the numbers of parasites produced in the small confines of our tanks. It is very, very unusual to have a true ich infestation disappear on its own. Fish with visible ich do not act normally, it may be something else.
mx mr bean
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hmmm... the tanks been running for almost three years now and ive had my marroon since the cycle was done and my tangs, chromis, and bangais are about 2 years old now. A couple of them just started off with a few white spots on them in the beginning but ever since I have not seen them. Would the parasite wait several years before blooming again?
saltfan
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Originally Posted by mx Mr Bean
http:///forum/post/2959845
hmmm... the tanks been running for almost three years now and ive had my marroon since the cycle was done and my tangs, chromis, and bangais are about 2 years old now. A couple of them just started off with a few white spots on them in the beginning but ever since I have not seen them. Would the parasite wait several years before blooming again?
Its a parasite that lives in your tank, it can't adhere to healthy fish, but will attack when very stressed out. Not likely you will see it, your fish are probably to healthy for it, they do have the capability to fight it off. And UV will only kill and keep in check free floating algea and parasites. ( Free Floating )
http:///forum/post/2959845
hmmm... the tanks been running for almost three years now and ive had my marroon since the cycle was done and my tangs, chromis, and bangais are about 2 years old now. A couple of them just started off with a few white spots on them in the beginning but ever since I have not seen them. Would the parasite wait several years before blooming again?
Its a parasite that lives in your tank, it can't adhere to healthy fish, but will attack when very stressed out. Not likely you will see it, your fish are probably to healthy for it, they do have the capability to fight it off. And UV will only kill and keep in check free floating algea and parasites. ( Free Floating )
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by mx Mr Bean http:///forum/post/2959845
hmmm... the tanks been running for almost three years now and ive had my marroon since the cycle was done and my tangs, chromis, and bangais are about 2 years old now. A couple of them just started off with a few white spots on them in the beginning but ever since I have not seen them. Would the parasite wait several years before blooming again?
There are folks who think ich can stay dormant forever; But I have never read anything, from even a semi-scientific source that confirms this. IMO & IME; if you don't ever see ich in your tank for months, you can't have it. If you are extremely careful about what you put into your tank, you'll never get it. Even coral can carry the parasite into your tank, but only fish are in any danger of attack. Here's an excellent thread from Beth, whom I consider an authority, on the ich parasite. You'll have to scroll down a bit to get to the ich section, but its all valuable reading. If you read & understand this; I think you'll know where I'm coming from. I'm sure no expert in this area; but following the procedures I do; I'm not worried about ever having to treat ich in my DT again--that is a major pain in the dupa (Polish). https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
hmmm... the tanks been running for almost three years now and ive had my marroon since the cycle was done and my tangs, chromis, and bangais are about 2 years old now. A couple of them just started off with a few white spots on them in the beginning but ever since I have not seen them. Would the parasite wait several years before blooming again?
There are folks who think ich can stay dormant forever; But I have never read anything, from even a semi-scientific source that confirms this. IMO & IME; if you don't ever see ich in your tank for months, you can't have it. If you are extremely careful about what you put into your tank, you'll never get it. Even coral can carry the parasite into your tank, but only fish are in any danger of attack. Here's an excellent thread from Beth, whom I consider an authority, on the ich parasite. You'll have to scroll down a bit to get to the ich section, but its all valuable reading. If you read & understand this; I think you'll know where I'm coming from. I'm sure no expert in this area; but following the procedures I do; I'm not worried about ever having to treat ich in my DT again--that is a major pain in the dupa (Polish). https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127007/faqs-fish-diseases-treatments-quarantine-health-info
blue oasis
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In the 5 years I had my saltwater fish tank I only had ich once when I first started. What I did was first remove all my fish from the 90 gal tank and did a fresh water dip on them for 15 min and placed them in a QT which is 20 gal. I lowered the salinity to 1.015 and raised the temp to 80. After about 30 days I introduced the fish back into the main tank and so far it has been all good.
I was told not to waste my time or money with all these chemicals out there that could cure ich while still in the main tank.
I was told not to waste my time or money with all these chemicals out there that could cure ich while still in the main tank.
srfisher17
Active Member
Originally Posted by BLUE OASIS
http:///forum/post/2963116
In the 5 years I had my saltwater fish tank I only had ich once when I first started. What I did was first remove all my fish from the 90 gal tank and did a fresh water dip on them for 15 min and placed them in a QT which is 20 gal. I lowered the salinity to 1.015 and raised the temp to 80. After about 30 days I introduced the fish back into the main tank and so far it has been all good.
I was told not to waste my time or money with all these chemicals out there that could cure ich while still in the main tank.
Its always nice to hear success stories. IMO & IME, hypo or copper will always cure ich if done quickly and correctly. Everyone (being human) wants to find an easier, quicker way and , again IMO, there just isn't one. I think if any of the "reef safe" miracle ich cures really worked; there would be postings every day on this forum about the miracle. There ain't many!
http:///forum/post/2963116
In the 5 years I had my saltwater fish tank I only had ich once when I first started. What I did was first remove all my fish from the 90 gal tank and did a fresh water dip on them for 15 min and placed them in a QT which is 20 gal. I lowered the salinity to 1.015 and raised the temp to 80. After about 30 days I introduced the fish back into the main tank and so far it has been all good.
I was told not to waste my time or money with all these chemicals out there that could cure ich while still in the main tank.
Its always nice to hear success stories. IMO & IME, hypo or copper will always cure ich if done quickly and correctly. Everyone (being human) wants to find an easier, quicker way and , again IMO, there just isn't one. I think if any of the "reef safe" miracle ich cures really worked; there would be postings every day on this forum about the miracle. There ain't many!