Watch out! Newbie with some questions...

smitty77

New Member
Hello everyone I have some questions for yeah. Please bear with me I'm new to fish keeping so I'm still learning. First off I'm starting my first fishtank ever. My girlfriend bought me a 80gal bowfront for my return to the states from Iraq. She manages a LFS/petstore and got the tank new for $325 with the stand and top. My plans are to start a FOWLR. <---see I've been studying for the pass two weeks. I'm going to be running two emperor 400 filters, protien skimmer by red sea, UV sterilizer, live rock and live sand. She's pretty much buying all of this stuff at half the cost. I'm going against the wet/dry until I get some time under my belt plus I don't plan on doing corals for about a year or two, then I'll change to a wet/dry or refug?
My question is does this sound like a good set-up so far?
These are the fish I plan to keep over time
1-Coral beauty Angal
1-Lawnmower Blenny
1-Scooter Blenny
1-Bangaii Cardinal
1-Tomato Clown
1 or 2-Percula clowns
1-Firefish
1-Green mandarin this fish is why I wanted to do saltwater!!!
1-Psychedelic Mandarin
1-Yellow Tang
1-Sixline Wrasse
1-Yellow Watch man
1-Jawfish
1-Green Chromis
OK here's my fish questions.
#1 Is this going to be to many fish for an 80 gallon tank?
#2 Will the green mandarin get allow with the psychedelic mandarin?
#3 Do I have too many bottom/rock fish? I plan on using about 80-100 lbs of LR.
#4 Will all of these get along.
Once again I'm new to all of this so go easy on me. I have the next three and a half months to study.
Sorry so long...
Smitty
One more thing please keep in mind I'm limited to what my gal can get for her shop. I don't want to buy elsewhere to buy because I can save a lot of money. I'm not going for the cheap stuff but not the expensive stuff until I know how much I like keeping fish. Also I don't want to do fresfwater because it seems boring to me.
 

dreeves

Active Member
Your fish tank isnt an apartment building in Harlem...that is about 3 times too many fish...marine fish require alot of room.
The two mandarians are not a good idea...they both have specific feeding requirements that make them virtually impossible to keep in anything other then a very, very well established larger reef...
I like the way you specified Active Duty AF in your ID block...I never liked reservist when I was Active...
 

smitty77

New Member
So basically I'd be limited to about a 1/3 of what I want. Well it sounds like I should have kissed some more but to get a bigger tank. LOL No I figured that was to many fish. So with the mandarins out it takes it down to about 12 fish. I'm guessing some of these get bigger then I'm thinking. I'll have to look into the size some of these fish get.
Smitty
 

tagg

Member
Here is al ittle info I just pulled off my datd base i compiled; its a different format so it may be jumbled a bit. (I didn't read it all)
May help.....may not...... Tagg
GOBY Manderinfish (Synchiropus splendidus ) Dragonte
Aliases :
Maintenance :
Diet & Feeding : Algae, small crustaceans. A shy bottom feeder
Aquarium Behavior : Peaceful, requires a calm tank.
Inverbrate compatibility : Yes
Length : 4 "
Distribution : Pacific
Notes : Inhabits shallow protected lagoons and inshore reefs.
Found on silty bottoms with coral and rubble.
Red, green, orange, blue, and purple all make up the unique
pattern of this fish. The fins are usually tipped in a deep purple
color. The Manderinfish is shy bottom dwelling fish that requires
a tank with a lot of live rock for food and shelter. The mucus slime
coat that covers the fish is poisonous to other species thus
protecting it from being a food source. I have found that this
species is difficult to keep and should be left for the advanced hobbiest.
Care Level: Easy
Temperament: Peaceful
Reef Safe: Yes
Diet: Microfauna, Live Worms
Origin: Indian Ocean

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GOBY Psychedelic Fish (Synchiropus picturatus)
Dragonet
Aliases :
Maintenance :
Diet & Feeding : Algae, small crustaceans. Shy bottom feeder
Aquarium Behavior : Peaceful, perfers a calm tank.
Inverbrate compatibility : Yes intolerant of it's own kind
Length : 4 "
Distribution : Pacific
Notes : This fish requires live rock and live sand to survive,
feeds mainly on live amphipods, are recommended for a reef tank
or refugium and males have a longer dorsal fin than females.
The psychedelic fish is similar in shape to the more common
manderinfish. However it's colors and marking are quite different.
It has a prodominately green body with darker green circles that
are outlined in red. The psychedelic fish is also a shy bottom
dwelling fish that requires a tank with a lot of live rock for
food and shelter. I have found that this species is more tolerant
of of active tank mates, but is highly intolerant of it's own kind.
Overall it is a better choice then the manderinfish for inexperienced
hobbiests.

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BLENNY Scooter Blenny (Petroscirtes temmincki)
(Neosynchiropus ocellatus)
Aliases : Scooter Dragonet, Ocellated Dragonet
Maintenance : High
Diet & Feeding : algae and frozen marine foods, Microfauna
Aquarium Behavior :
Inverbrate compatibility : Perfect for reef tanks
Length : 2 "
Distribution : Indian Oceans
Notes : The scooter blenny is the perfect fish for the reef aquarium.
They are safe with all invertabrate and will graze on algae and other
settled flake food. The male of the species has a larger dorsal fin
that is used to attract the female. Scooter Blennies can also be kept
in groups.

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Blenny Lawnmower ( Salarias fasciatus )
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Aliases : Sailfin, Algae, Jeweled Rockskipper
Maintenance : Easy
Diet & Feeding : Algae
Aquarium Behavior :
Inverbrate compatibility : Peaceful Reef Safe
Length : Up to 2-3 "
Distribution : Indian Ocean, Hawaii
Notes : Sailfin Blenny, Lawnmower Blenny prefers a tank of at least
30 gallons with plenty of places to hide & swim. The Salarias fasciatus
is a herbivore and likes to eat veggies, herbivore preps. The Sailfin
Blenny, Lawnmower Blenny is a medium maintenance fish and may act
peacefully toward other fish. Keep with caution in a reef aquarium;
may eat/nip at polyped stony corals and clams. Eats corals.
The Lawnmower Blenny, a.k.a. Algae Blenny or Jeweled Rockskipper,
is a very popular algae eating blenny. These fish have a long slender
body with a long dorsal fin that extends the length of their body.
They are usually tan and white in color and love to perch on rockwork.
The Lawnmower is aptly named for its ability to mow down hair algae.
These fish have tons of personality and are very peaceful. They make an
excellent addition to any reef tank. They should be offered algae sheets
on a regular basis if regular algae growth is not available.

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JAWFISH Yellow Head ( Opistognathus aurifrons )
Goby
Aliases :
Maintenance :
Diet & Feeding :
Aquarium Behavior :
Inverbrate compatibility :
Length : Up to 4 "
Distribution : Atlantic
Notes : This Jawfish likes to live in colonies. Generally inside the
coral reef area where wave activity has spread rubble in the sandy bottom.
They burrow using their large mouth to move sand and some surprisingly
large coral pebbles. A very active fish in the Aquarium, it will feed
on about anything, but generally leaves other fishes alone unless they get
too curious. You will need a deep (4"minimum) sandy bottom mixed well
with small coral rubble and something like a flat rock they can burrow
under for their home. Be prepared for some busy digging and housekeeping.
Size: 2-3 inches
Care Level: Easy
Temperament: Peaceful
Reef Safe: Yes
Diet: Brine, Flake, Pellet
Origin: Caribbean

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Wrasse Six line ( Pseudocheilinus hexataenia )
Aliases : Pijama Wrasse, Jap Wrasse
Maintenance : medium
Diet & Feeding : carnivore, chopped meats, small invert
(amphipods & foraminiferans), live feeder shmp, worms
Aquarium Behavior : may act semi-aggressivel
Inverbrate compatibility : Reef-safe - Ideal
Length : up to 3 inches
Distribution : Indian Ocean or Fiji
Notes : A feisty, though small , a reef tank species. Indo-Pacific,
including the Red Sea in its distribution. Aquarium and Queensland,
Australia images. The Pseudocheilinus hexataenia grows up to 3 inches.
The Six Line Wrasse prefers a tank of at least 20 gallons with plenty
of places to hide & swim. The Pseudocheilinus hexataenia is a carnivore
and likes to eat chopped meats, small invert (amphipods & foraminiferans),
live feeder shmp, worms. The Six Line Wrasse is a medium maintenance
fish and may act semi-aggressively toward other fish. Reef-safe.
A feisty, though small a reef tank species.

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Aliases : FireFish Worm Fish
Maintenance :
Diet & Feeding : Firefish are shy feeders that will usually accept
flake food,brine sh, and just about anything else that drifts by
their little hideout. However they will not feed from the bottom of
the tank. In the wild they feed on plankton, fish larvae, and small
crustaceans.
Aquarium Behavior : Firefish are peaceful fish that usually inhabit
the middle level of the tank unlike other gobies. They have a specialized
swim bladders that allows them to float in one place without a lot of
effort. Firefish as a group tend to be very shy and should be supplied
with many dark cave that they can duck into when they feel threatened.
Firefish, like most other gobies should also be kept in pairs. Also the
should be kept in covered tanks as they are know to be jumpers.
Inverbrate compatibility : Yes.
Length : 2"
Distribution : Indo-Pacific
Notes : The firefish can usually be found over hard, open bottoms and
rubble patches at the base of the reef. The stay near the rocks so they
can dart in the small holes and crevices when threatened. In the wild the
firefish feeds on zooplankton. Nemateleotris magnifica has a tendancy to
twitch its long dorsal fin back and forth.

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birdy

Active Member
Well my first suggestion would be to purchase a few good books on Saltwater aquariums.
Your basic setup sounds okay, I would not spend the money on the emperor 400's if I were you. Take some time and research sump systems with refugiums, you will be much happier, The most important advise anyone can follow in this hobby is to take is so slow it is painful! If I added up the money I wasted in the begining buying crap I would probably cry.
Along with LR and LS, you will want some powerheads in the tank for water circulation. Also use RO/DI water from the start or you will regret it eventually.
And as was stated above you need to cut your fish list down drastically. A madrine is not out of the question in a 80gal tank, but you will need over 100lbs of LR and a refugium to replenish your pod population and you should wait 6mo to a year to add one to a tank, and they cannot have any other fish that will compete for pods (wrasses, some blennies, some gobies).
Good luck and welcome to the hobby.
 
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yae4volcom

Guest
Well that sounds like a pretty cool present :D
That fish list is pretty big, but whoever said that you cannot keep mandarins is somewhat wrong. They are not impossible to keep. They will get along together. The only thing is that mandarins eat alot of pods and need a lot of liverock. If you do get a lot of rock then getting mandarins would be fine. I wouldnt get them as your first fish and would wait a couple months before you get one so your pod population can increase. Good luck and dont forget to post some pics.
Instead of just one kind of every fish, I would get a couple of pairs.
 

smitty77

New Member
I'm planning on two powerheads just forgot to list them. I figure the mandrine would eat most of the pods. I didn't plan on adding him for at least six months to a year.
Smitty
 

smitty77

New Member
Well I wanted to get pairs but there's so many I like!!! OK I understand the more fish the more waste but some of these guys only get about 2-3 inchs total. Plus a few aren't really swimmers right,i.e. blennies and gobies. I could see if they were all swimmers then that would be to many. I'm not going against you guys I'd just like to know why? Fish waste? Space? What would be a max fish count for a tank this size? Just learning....
Smitty
 

smitty77

New Member
I had no clue coral beauties get ugly once full grown? Thanks Maybe I'll go with a flame angel instead?
Smitty
 

birdy

Active Member
The general rule of thumb about stocking saltwater fish is 1 inch of fish per 5gal of actual water in the tank (have to take into account the displacement of water of your sandbed and rock)
You really need to read some books to fully understand how a saltwater aquarium is best set up.
 

smitty77

New Member
Thanks Russia. I didn't know that about jawfish and gobies. Yes I'm having a few books sent to me while I'm over here so I can read up. Plus I come here to read when I can.
Smitty
 

dreeves

Active Member
There is no general or otherwise rule of thumb for keeping marine aquaria...the fish temperment are as wide as the species available...each species and sub-species are specific in their care and habitat. They are not like freshwater fish in which have an ability to adapt by virtue of the ongoing changes in their everyday habitat.
It would be in the best interest of a hobbyist to learn each and every aspect of an individual species prior to even considering obtaining it. Things to look for are temperment, feeding habits, potential size growth, needed area for territorial requirements, and finally, what you are able to provide in respect to these areas...to include filtration.
And while you are researching each species...allow yourself time to check two or more sources for each species...you will find they differ quite abit, and therefore complicating the selection process further.
 

smitty77

New Member
Thank you everyone for the info. I've got 3 1/2 months in the desert to reserch, reserch, reserch. Trust me that was just a quick list of fish I liked. I'm looking more into each one to figure who can live with who and so on. I know it'll change, a lot. I don't plan to rush into this. Heck I waited 1 1/2 years before I started breeding most of my reptiles I use to keep, so I know how to wait. LOL
Thanks again I'm sure I'll ask more and more questions.
Smitty kicking up some sand.
 

scottnj

Member
Smitty,
Sounds like some great ideas, and well after reading all them books you will have lots more ideas and questions. ;-)
I agree with some of the others and would say ditch the power filters and go with a sump / fuge set-up instead. The cost will probably be the same or less and you should have a fair amount of room in the stand to put a fair size sump. The fuge will also give you a place for pods to thrive which will help in keeping the Mandarin.
And...
Welcome to the board
-Scott
 
"The Conscientious Marine Aquarist" by Robert M. Fenner is a good book to start.
the scooter blenny, both mandarins, and the six line wrasse all eat pods, so you should eliminate 3 out of the 4 of them
 

aarone

Active Member

Originally posted by Smitty77
I had no clue coral beauties get ugly once full grown? Thanks Maybe I'll go with a flame angel instead?
Smitty


coral beauties do not change color when they "grow up" That is just one kids opinion.
Russian spy,
Why would a mandarin and a Lawn mower blenny not get along?
aaron
 

jedininja

Member
Not to sound mean or anything, but Where is Russia getting his info. Just a few threads ago, he tells us almost everything in his tank dies, he has ich, he didnt even know what mandarins eat(yet gives advice about them!) But in this thread, he seems to know about every fish out there and knows which fishes get along with every other fish.
Smitty, I would advise you to do more research and forget most of what Russia has told you.
Does this remind anybody of Bubbles or SuperEvlisA
 

theplowking

Member
My observation:
1 way to many fish
2 don't mix clown fish
3 If you are new I would not get Mandarin or Ph
4 I would not mix a blenny a goby-
5 Go with the WetDry now. I ditched my Can filter and have never been happier
 

fireo1o

Member
although coral beauties arent my favorite centropyge angel, i have never heard of them changing color and epecially to "brown"as mentioned by russian.
And russian, why would a lawnmower and a mandrid not get along??i agree with jedininja and arron. i dont think they change color and id like to know where ur gettin ur info. not to sounds mean or nethin gbut im just curious.
 

goobernif

Member
i have a scooter blenny, a lawnmower blenny and a mandarin all in my 55, have had them established for over a year. why not mix them?
 
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