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sambroom

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All I have ever done for my 55 galon f/o tank is had topoffs and cleaned the filters (fluval 404 and a hand-on power filter for a 55 gallon)... Should I be doing water changes? I've had my tank for 2 years and th eonly deaths I have had are ones when I left for college and the parents "took care" of the tank.
 

lion_crazz

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Water changes are always neccessary. Even if there is no nitrates, the trace elements in the tank need to be replenished often.
 

joesalmi

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Water changes are an important part of maintaining good, as well as correcting water quality problems in saltwater aquariums. Since there are no set rules for when, how much and often this task should be performed, research aquarists recommendations, then combine this information with how your own system runs to come up with a formula and routine that works best for you. Most places will tell you that you should do at least a 10% water change once a month. If you are having problems maintaining the water then you may want to up that number.
-JSLAM
 
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sambroom

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If I had made it 2 years in good shape, should I still deal with water changes? I add only distilled water from walmart to my tank, which has helped out a lot. I just don't know how I would go about doing a water change... I do in my freshwater tank, but my saltwater has sand and if I used my hose to filter the sand it would take the sand in, rocks in the fw tank are too heavy and big to take in...?????? :help:
 

reefnut

Active Member
Originally Posted by sambroom
If I had made it 2 years in good shape, should I still deal with water changes?
3 people have already said yes... and I'll be the forth!! I'm not going to repeat everything that is stated above but it's all good advise.
 

hot883

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Do THEM as stated above. To do a water change:
1. Get a dedicated container only for salt water
2. Add R/O water
3. Add correct amount of salt (read salt bag)
4. Add power head to circulate and stablize the new sw for atleast 24 hours.
5. Add heater to the container to ensure same temp as tank (same time as mixing)
6. Check salinity to ensure same as tank (.0124-26 for most people)
7. Syphon out water from tank, add fresh mixed sw.
8. Happy fish with trace elements and nutrients replaced
 

samiam4663

Member
Originally Posted by hot883
Do THEM as stated above. To do a water change:
1. Get a dedicated container only for salt water
2. Add R/O water
3. Add correct amount of salt (read salt bag)
4. Add power head to circulate and stablize the new sw for atleast 24 hours.
5. Add heater to the container to ensure same temp as tank (same time as mixing)
6. Check salinity to ensure same as tank (.0124-26 for most people)
7. Syphon out water from tank, add fresh mixed sw.
8. Happy fish with trace elements and nutrients replaced
What if I purchase the saltwater pre-mixed from my LFS? I know they use RO water to mix. Then all that's left is heating it up, right?
 

joesalmi

Member
You can do that if you want but I think that that readywater (RW) is pointless. If you wanted someone to do the work for you, you might as well have the guy (or girl) come out to you house and have her maintain the take for you.
I think that the RW is good for setting up tanks for people that don't like to wait for the tank to cycle. I have had a few people tell me that with a W/O tank, you can dump the RW into the tank one day and stock the tank the next. I personally won't try it HAHA :hilarious but like I said that is just want I heard. Now many people have different methods of getting water for the tank. I have thought about buying water at Wal-Mart and using that but again it cost money. Being a SW enthusiast is already expensive and I have found ways to cut costs. Here is what I do.
The only time I do a water change (unless necessary) is only when it rains. I have 4 5 gallon buckets that I use. 2 to collect rain water and 2 to cycle the water. This process is a 4 step process I like to call the "Salmi water filtration system"

1. Collect 10 gallons of rain water. (pure rain water). Put the buckets out in the middle of the yard or whatever you have so that only water falling out of the sky is falling into the bucket. Do not use water that falls off the roof as this makes the water contaminated.
2. Let water sit for 24 hours to allow heavy material to sink and settle to the bottom. Once that is complete, scoop out about 3 Gallons of the water and poor into bucket number 3. Add 2 CUPS of salt, (2 cups will allow the mixture to work better then the needed amount.)
Let water sit for 2-3 days with mixing it with something like a wood spoon. You just want the salt to mix with the water. 2-3 days will dissolve the salt nicely.
3. In bucket 4 you want at least 2 gallons of water in there. If you want to use Wal-Mart water then so be it. I used a gallon of tank water for nutrients. But remember that bucket 4 needs to be sitting with the water already in it the entire time. Bucket 4 is the most important. Bucket 4 has the heater, and dual air hoses in it to constantly stir the water. After 2-3 days the water in bucket 3 is ready. Remove 2 gallons of high quality H2O from bucket 3 and pour into bucket 4. This is where I will add Stress Zyme, a dash of PH8.2, and other chemicals to ensure the water is ready. Let everything mix up for a few days and begin the water change. From time to time I will add some tap water to buckets 1 and 2 (with the rain water) to kill any living bacteria, but only about 1/4 gallon to each.
But that is what I do...
 

joesalmi

Member
You are correct... You should only do this if you do not live around all the pollution. I live near some lakes and not far from the ocean so most of my rain water is caused by global warming.
 

joesalmi

Member
Here A buddy just sent this to me. Check it out.
Water Changes (In Detail)
by Mike Paletta
The topic of water changes for a saltwater aquarium is still a topic that generates a great deal of debate. Part of this is due no doubt to wishful thinking, part due to claims by some hobbyists that they have never done a water change and part due to there being no hard and fast rule as to what is ideal. I still remember vividly the claim of an early trickle filter manufacturer that part of the allure of their filter was that it "Eliminates the need for water changes forever". Unfortunately, experience has taught us that these claims were not only untrue, but were deleterious to our animals as well.
Better filtration methods have allowed for most tanks to no longer need to be completely dismantled in order to be cleaned. However, the daunting task of doing water changes still remains. I would love to tell you that it is no longer necessary to do water changes and I'm sure that many of you have tried or know of someone who has not done a water change for a very long time. Some of these individuals may even have very successful tanks employing this strategy. However, for most of us that overstocks and may overfeed our tanks from time to time this strategy will not work in the long run.
The reason for this is simple: despite all of the breakthroughs in filtration, both chemical and mechanical, no method that I have seen yet removes the harmful substances that accumulate in a closed system. A water change is not just a way to replenish elements that are consumed in a reef tank; this could more easily be done by adding trace elements from a bottle. Rather, a water change is the only way to remove harmful compounds that accumulate over time which filtering does not remove. Even though not all waste products are removed by doing a water change, any that are still in the water become more diluted. This is why when doing a water change it is best to siphon detritus and other noxious material off the bottom where they accumulate during a water change.
There is not a lot of rocket science in doing a water change, but there are some techniques that can make it even more advantageous. First the powerheads should be turned off and the current in the tank reduced. Then, with a bulb baster, any detritus or waste materials can be blown off the live rock and corals. By reducing the current in the tank, the detritus that is present and that is blown from the nooks and crannies will settle to the bottom of the tank. Once the detritus has settled it can then be removed during the siphoning of the bottom.
The reason that it is important to get the detritus out of the tank is that the detritus acts as a nutrient sink from which algal blooms may get their nourishment. Organic phosphate, nitrate, algal spores, etc., are all present in the detritus that accumulates in the spaces in the corals and between the live rocks of every tank. If it is allowed to accumulate to high levels the result will be the rapid growth of algae. The reason for this is that algae are much more efficient at using these end stage waste products than are the corals. As a result when these nutrients accumulate the corals are at a disadvantage in that they are better at utilizing primary waste products, ammonia, fecal pellets, etc. In most areas on the fore reef, the corals are constantly bathed with water low in nutrients. However their bath is so large they are able to take up enough nutrients to sustain themselves. In the lagoon areas more nutrients accumulate and as a result animals from these areas can tolerate higher nutrient levels. This is why corals from these areas are typically good candidates to be the first inhabitants for a new reef hobbyist.
During a water change, the water and detritus should be drawn off and either flushed directly down a drain or drained to buckets lower than the tank so that an equal amount can be replaced. Clean new water should then be poured in to replace it. This water should be mixed so that it matches the old water in terms of temperature, salinity, alkalinity and pH. The match does not have to be precise, but the closer it is to the tank's water the less shock that is produced on the animals.
 
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