Water Temp/Mana shrimp in live rock?

juls04

New Member
I've had my tank for about a month and a half, and my water temp seems to keep going from 82-84 most of the time and 86 on occasion. I only keep the lights on 12 hours and then turn them off. How can I prevent this from happening? Also I've heard that mana shrimp can kill other shrimp and your fish. How can you get rid of them?
I have 2 tomato clowns
1 sixline wrasse
1 foxface tang
2 sallys
2 emeralds
snails
blue hermits
2 small shrimp, I think peppermint (small)
I had two coral banded shrimp and one yellow tang
they died and I was wondering what caused it.
 

bdubbya

Member
Need to get some info. What size is the tank? You said the tank has been setup for a month and a half. How long have you had fish in the tank? If you put fish in the tank while it was still cycling that probably stressed the fish, caused ich and that's what would have killed them. What are the levels of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. If the tank is only a month and a half old there really shouldn't be more than two fish at the most, but my suggestion would be only one. As far as the mana shrimp I can't help you. I've been told to let the tank mature for at least six months before you put a tang in, because they like to graze on the live rock for algea in addition to what you are feeding them. Answer these questions and I'm sure you'll get lots of info. HTH.
 

juls04

New Member
My tank size is 55 gals. It's been set up about a month and a half...maybe a little longer. The fish have been in for maybe two weeks. The tang was only in for maybe two weeks. Supposedly the tank was cycled enough. That's what the fish store told me. My levels ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite are all fine, the best they can be. As far as the fish go, none of the others seem affected by anything. I am worried about the water temp being so high however. You said wait sixth months for a tang, I'll be sure to do that this time but the guy who sold me the tang gave me seaweed and said that that would be efficient for it.
 

shadow678

Member
86 is a bit high, and could definately be adding to your fishes stress level. BTW, keeping 2 CBS(coral-banded shrimp) in one tank will almost always result in the loss of one or both, as they will not accept another CBS in the same tank, and will fight to the death. To reduce your temperature, try simply removing your glass tops from your tank and leaving the top open, if your lights will permit this(i.e. will sit on the edges of your tank without risking falling in). If this is not enough, you can put a fan blowing across your water's surface as well. Computer fans work well, and can be mounted easily on the back of the tank or in the hood. Your temperature could only be a factor in your problems, however, as a 6-week old tank may not have the biocapacity to handle all your fish. Have you invested in a test kit of your own? If not, you should very highly consider this. Many LFS will suggest ideas that get them sales, even(and sometimes especially) if it gets them sales, and telling you your water was okay to begin stocking could have been a lie to get you to buy fish, and even in hopes that they would die so you would come back and buy more. Even when the levels zero out and it truly is ready to begin stocking, you should add fish very slowly, IMO 1 fish per week, at the most. You have to allow time for the filtering bacteria to adjust to the increased bioload. Also, be sure you don't overfeed, as this will very highly increase waste product in the water and affect water quality. If you still have surviving emerald crabs, hermits, and snails, I would think the chances of a mantis would be fairly slim. How much rock do you have in your tank? HTH.
 

shadow678

Member
As long as they are bought as a mated pair, they will be okay, but just putting two together and hoping for the best is futile with CBS. Mated pairs are harvested from the ocean as a pair, or are raised from beginning in the same tank and have paired from being together the entire lifespan. Two unfamiliar adults will almost always kill each other.
 

juls04

New Member
Thank you all the replies have been very helpful so far. I believe it's about 15 pounds of live rock in my tank. I was hoping to get more but they didn't have any unique rock the last time I went. However, I got kinda worried and went to another fish store. He also felt that I didn't have a mantis shrimp due to what you guys have already explained. Oh and my coral banded shrimp were mated, I bought them that way. I think what happened in that situation was that we didn't acclimate them slowly enough. I've heard that it takes a lot longer for shrimp then fish? I'm just sad about my tang dying, but the guy at the fish store I went to just with questions said that some eat the seaweed and some don't, so I won't bother getting one until it's been quite awhile to save on the maybe he'll eat maybe he won't deal. Do you have any idea how long I should wait before adding more fish? Should I add more rock? anything else that would be a good addition to my tank that's not a fish right now? thanks
 

shadow678

Member
I would suggest getting your temp. fluctuation under control before thinking of adding any other livestock. Yes, it's very upsetting when livestock dies, but at least you learn from the mistake. Inverts do have to be acclimated quite a bit slower than fish, as they are more sensitive to water quality and changes. I have 3 tangs, and none of them will eat the Seaweed Selects I have tried for them. lol They can be rather obstinate sometimes. lol
 
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