Water test

joejoe

Member
Alright so I added my LR on Tuesday and I had no readings on any of my tests (ammonia, trite, trate). Today I did the tests again, and I am confused as to what has happened. There still is no Ammonia, but the nitrites are through the roof and the nitrates are up as well. The SG is at 1.023. What should I do about this? Should I go ahead and add a dead shrimp into the tank to get some ammonia? Help please!!
 

kev

Member
First of all, how long has your tank been running? If its really new then thats perfectly normal... Yes, I would go ahead and add a dead shrimp or two depending on the size of your tank. And let that sit for a month or so(maybe less) untill your ammoonia and nitrites are both 0, and your nitrates are minimal. :thinking:
 

beaslbob

Well-Known Member
Ammonia spikes can be very short lived. You probably just missed the spike. NitrIte spikes can last a couple of days with a new fish load and no feeding. With a new fish and feeding I have had nitrItes peg the test kit for weeks. When I stopped feeding they returned to 0.0 in two days. Just wait, they will come down.
I don't like the dead shrimp method. I would let this cycle take it's course. Wait three weeks for any fish born parasited to die off (ICH) then add a male molly and not feed him for a week.
 

joejoe

Member
I added the water and sand into the tank the past Saturday, and I introduced the LR to it on Tuesday. Is it still too early or should I be seeing something?
 

beaslbob

Well-Known Member
Yes it is early. Let things run and see what happens.
I also recommend you add plant life. That way you do not have to depend on the live rock.
 

broomer5

Active Member
Nitrites don't just appear out of no where.
They are the result of the bacteria in the live rock, converting the ammonia.
You had ammonia in the tank since Tuesday, but the bacteria on the live rock were in sufficient numbers to convert it over to nitrite.
Now your nitrite is pegged - and you may have to wait for the next type of bacteria to populate to numbers sufficient to convert the nitrite over to nitrate. Although it sounds as if this is already occuring. This is a good thing - nothing to worry about IMO.
Once the ammonia and nitrite are at zero - many folks will do a partial water change at this point. Even if nitrate is still not registering too high .. this would be the time to perform a partial water change - say 15-20% or so.
Then proceed slowly stocking the tank with creatures.
Do not rush this part of the program.
Bacteria is the name of the game here - nothing more.
 

beaslbob

Well-Known Member

Originally posted by JoeJoe
Plant life? Can you give me a few examples as to what kind?


First of all and the most overlooked, the algaes, macros, and plants on your live rock.
SWF does have shaving brushes and blades so that is an option. I have very limited experience with those but the recent shipment of blades did arrive in good shape.
The most common and effective is the various caulperas. I have had the most success with the kelp like green caulpera prolifera (thnk that's right). Some can not be sent to california and other locations because it grows too good.
The tumble weed like gracilaria is another which my tang really enjoys.
A fav for refug is brillo pad. Mine has proven very hardy and is basically taking on the shop of my refug.
Some require higher lighting and calcium such as the money plant (halimeda).
Turtle grass is a true rooted marine plant. I have a few of those in my culture tank and they have survived and are growing. They also have not sent out runner though.
Plant life will consume ammonia, nitrAtes, phosphates and carbon dioxide. And in the process also filter out heavy ions such and iron, copper.
When you add plant life right from the beginning you get these things under control right from the start. If not then you may or may not have plant life on your live rock. If you additionally control your algae outbreaks through cleaner crews then you run the risk of basically the tank crashing and not being able to support livestock. We have had several people post here on how to control their hair algae and then 2-3 weeks later report they have controlled their algae but now have dead fish.
By using desirable plant life now you prevent or at least reduce the ugly algaes. Plus you system consumes the carbon dioxide from your future fish. And you do that regardless of the quality of the input water, amount of circulation, the other filtering in the system and so on. All with plain old normal output lighting.
 

joejoe

Member
Sounds great everyone! My LR does seem to have ALOT of stuff on it but I still can't figure out what is making the clicking noises when the lights go out. So basically I'm gonna wait a little longer to see what happens with the ammonia/trite/trate and then when all is well, I'll do a water change and then start to add livestock. Thanks again for the help everyone.
 

broomer5

Active Member
JoeJoe,
If you're hearing clicking noises when the lights are out - there's a good chance you have a mantis shrimp, or possibly a pistol shrimp .... that has hitch hiked in on your live rock.
Mantis shrimp should be removed as soon as you can - hopefully prior to adding more livestock.
You may want to do a search on this board for mantis shrimp.
 

joejoe

Member
Yeah I hope it's not a mantis. I've looked all over the tank for anything that resembles a shrimp but can not find ANYTHING. I would stick my hand in and sift the rocks around but I don't feel like having my finger sliced or thumped off. :scared:
 

broomer5

Active Member
It took me over a year to locate and remove a mantis shrimp I had.
Sometimes when they sneak in on live rock - they are pretty small. Mine was only about 3/4 - 1 inch when I first saw it.
 
Top