wet/dry filter or refugium?

saltcrazy

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Not to sound too confused but is there any differance between a wet/dry with bio balls replaced with LR and a refugium? I think that they both provide extra water capacity to the tank and LR for extra nitrate waste removal and possibly some plant life to also assist the LR. Is this correct? Basically a box under the tank and some sort of pump to get to/from tank?
Thanks :notsure:
 
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thomas712

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Depends on how you converted your wet/dry. Are you suggesting that you simply replace the bio balls with rock? cause you can't just do that or it would be worse than having removed the bio balls in the first place. But it all depends on how you are doing it.
Please elaborate on how you wish to convert your wet/dry if you have one now or what you are shooting for here.
Thomas
 

saltcrazy

New Member
Hey thanks for the help. No currently I have a 55 gal with emperor 400 and hob skimmer. I am currently building stand/canopy and looking at other filtration options because I dont want to have to deal with cleaning the emperor when I have the canopy. It just seems it will be ackward or worse I'll have to remove the whole canopy for cleaning 2x/wk. From reading all the input from everyone sumps/refugiums are the easiest to maintain and I like the easy access. I'm just trying to get my mind around how it works. I have seen some threads on sumps/refugiums but don't know what all the separate boxes in the sumps are for? Why the walls inside? I was wondering if I could build one with plexi and silicon or use a premade box IE wet/dry filter housing. I'm looking for the easiest route. Some people use rubbermaid boxes but how are the walls secured to the side of rubbermaid? Since they're really aren't any good books on this subject I'm fumbling around trying to figure it all out.
Thanks for any help
 
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jdragunas

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Well, you'd have to make many adjustments to a wet/dry filter to change it to a fuge, as a wet/dry filter is designed to be mostly dry, and have the water trickle/drip over the media. Therefore, a wet/dry doesn't provide as much extra water capacity as a fuge. The way a fuge works is pretty simple, once you grasp the concept of it (took me a while too...) it basically works somewhat like a wet/dry, in that there are different compartments for everything, however, a fuge is designed to hold enough water to fill it, unlike the wet/dry.
Depends on how you set it up, but here's the basic flow.
1. water exits display tank and enters fuge (either overflow box, or other sort of pump/plumbing)
2. water enters fuge in the 1st compartment, which is empty of any filter media (LR, miracle mud, sand, chaeto, etc.)
3. water flows to the 2nd compartment, where the filter media is housed.
4. water flows to the 3rd compartment, where it is then returned to the tank via pump, or gravity, depending on where you place the fuge.
You can have a protein skimmer in the 1st or 3rd department, along with some other stuff, like heaters, etc. Normally, the 2nd and 3rd compartments are divided by "baffles", which are pieces of plexiglass, placed at alternating heights (it might be easier for you to picture if you look up a fuge online). These are used to keep the filter media in the 2nd compartment, and also as housing to more bacteria (kinda like bio-balls).
Hope i didn't confuse you. i tend to babble, and when you babble, it's hard to follow sometimes. This is what i found after tons of research on fuges, so i could be wrong about some points (if i am, please point it out so i know for future reference).
They're pretty easy to build, once you get the jist. I plan on making a 10 gallon one for my 35 hex, and a 15 gallon one for my 55 FOWLR (soon to be reef), in addition to my current wet/dry system. I'm going to be using regular aquariums for the base, and using plexiglass to divide the compartments, and make the baffles out of. I'm going to use an overflow box to gravitate the water to it, and a pump to return it. (right now i have a small overflow that came with my wet/dry, but i plan on getting one of those ones that has two outputs.)
jenn
 

saltcrazy

New Member
Jenn,
Thanks for all the info- and no I definately didn't see any babbling in there. Just great helpful info so it seems to be making more sense now. Just out of curiousity what is the differance in the overflow box that you mentioned? Also, can you recommend any return pumps?
 
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jdragunas

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You mean the difference between the one and two outlet?
The one i have right now only has one piece of pvc piping to send water to my wet/dry filter. I have seen overflow boxes with two fittings for pvc piping, so i can have one go to my wet/dry and the other go to my fuge. That way, i don't have to worry about plumbing (i'm a moron in this area), or anything like that.
I'm not familiar with the brands of pumps. I've heard the name "rio" a lot, but i can't remember if i heard good or bad things about it... :notsure: Hopefully someone will reply to this. I have a pump that i had to purchase to replace the one that came with my wet/dry... had a bad magnet. I don't remember now what type it is (i'm at work), but i'll look at it when i get home. I haven't had any problems with it, and i've had it for about 6 months now.
Glad to be of assistance

Jenn
 
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