What a president we have!

salty blues

salty blues

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While hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens are protesting gov't/liberal/democrat tax & spending policies, our new president is jetting around the world apologizing to world leaders for the USA being such a bad country.
He also is high-fiving with dictator & US hater hugo chavez, who currently is trying to "remove" a couple of democratically elected mayors in Venezuela.
What a great representative for the USA we now have. God help us all.
 
miaheatlvr

miaheatlvr

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I so much despise this socialist, soft on defense/offense, non challant spending, apologizing, appeaser.

Him AND his hi fiving buddy!


 
scsinet

scsinet

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The whole Chavez thing is really a problem for me too.
This is a guy whose political opponents just keep "disappearing." This is NOT the kind of leadership that we should be giving any validation to.
The president should be giving a lot more thought to how chummy he is with these individuals. I would think that all Americans... conservatives and liberals alike... should have issues with this.
Of course for some reason, President Obama's associations never seem to get him in trouble...
 
uneverno

uneverno

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We have a long history of meddling in South America. Perhaps there'd be a little less anti-American sentiment in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Chile if we stopped that.
Salvador Allende was democratically elected as well, but the Nixon administration disapproved and installed Augusto Pinochet in his stead. That worked out well.
Chaves has valid reasons for hating the US. We've tried to depose him twice, even though he was democratically elected.
Oddly, I never hear anyone complain about our support of dictatorships who ally themselves with us. Especially when their nations have raw materials we covet.
Perhaps we should stop selectively applying the definition of democracy in accordance to what's good for business as well.
It does send a rather mixed message to the rest of the planet.
 
salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3021906
We have a long history of meddling in South America.
Chaves has valid reasons for hating the US. We've tried to depose him twice, even though he was democratically elected.
By meddling, do you mean pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into those countries?
obama was also democratically elected(with ACORN and other fraudulent support), but I suspect there is a fair amount of buyer's remorse afoot.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3021918
By meddling, do you mean pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into those countries?
In part, yes. Where those billions in taxpayer dollars end up is a serious question. Do they go to supporting our self professed democratic ideals, or to the cronies of US businessmen in exchange for mineral/labor/crop rights? Or worse yet, to the purchase of arms in order to suppress dissent?
Iraq is a perfect example. We allegedly went in to democratize the nation whose dictator we'd supported for some thirty years prior. In the meantime, the Wahabist theocracy in the nation just to the south is okeydokey by us.
Nations do not have morals. They have interests.
I won't quibble the legitimacy of Obama's, or Bush's elections. The fact that the best this once great nation had to offer was Obama and McCain is evidence enough that the election was rigged to me. The fraud takes place at the machine level, not at the constituent level.
It's not the show that's important. It's what's going on backstage.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3021926
Iraq is a perfect example. We allegedly went in to democratize the nation whose dictator we'd supported for some thirty years prior. In the meantime, the Wahabist theocracy in the nation just to the south is okeydokey by us.
Where does everyone get the idea the U.S. supported Hussein for 30 years before we took him out?
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Gee, I dunno

Photo taken 1983. Guess the 20 year reunion didn't work out so well for one of them.
Prior to that - great client State! From Wikipedia: "Saddam Hussein in the past was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism in the 1960s and 1970s." The relationship was cemented by that little hostage crisis in neighboring Iran in 1980. Who did we support in the Iran/Iraq (1980-1988) war again?
 
miaheatlvr

miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3021954

Gee, I dunno

Photo taken 1983. Guess the 20 year reunion didn't work out so well for one of them.
Prior to that - great client State! Had a bit to do with that little hostage crisis in neighboring Iran in 1980. Who did we support in the Iran/Iraq (1980-1988) war again?
Iraq, but that because we wanted each side to obliterate each other or at least the Iraqis to take out the Iranians. It called looking out for your best interests.. What's your point?
Ugghh I knew it wouldn't be long till the liberals started to infiltrate and begin to rant..
 
uneverno

uneverno

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That's funny!

I was responding to the question above my post, which was: "Where does everyone get the idea the U.S. supported Hussein for 30 years before we took him out?"
The question I posed in return was rhetorical as a part of my answer.
Is historical fact dependent on political viewpoint? Or was my answer incorrect?
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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"We have a long history of meddling in South America. Perhaps there'd be a little less anti-American sentiment in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Chile if we stopped that."
There is little anti-Americanism outside the elitist, leftist intelligencia. Hmmm, sounds just like America. Pinochet opened up the free market, cooperated with U.S. intelligence and fought against a massive communist wave of revolution. I can see where that would give you problems.
Do I agree with some of his tactics, no. Do I have a problem with mass executions of vicious communist guerillas who slaughtered any innocent civilians who didn't show 100% love for communism? Hmm, it's hard for me to work up simpathy for them.
Seriously, I know where you stand politically, why are you too ashamed to admit that you want socialism/communism. You and many like you love to use symantics, but what it comes down to is you truly believe in these socialists/communists like Chavez. I admit my sense of political affiliation, why don't you admit how much Chavez and Castro mean to you?
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Again - funny.
Shall I return the question and ask how much King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz means to you?
In all seriousness however, you're taking my quote out of context. There is a history behind it, which you're apparently ignoring.
Your argument could hold water if you could cite some facts rather than casting aspersions on what you believe my political affiliation to be.
How do you know that one of my cousins wasn't a poet, who never took up arms, but Pinochet executed anyway?
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/3021970
How many time are you gonna edit your same post? Thats like 3 or 4 times already.. geesh.. lol

mantisman51
I think the question may have been directed at me. I do the same thing

If not, I appologize for the arrogance.
In any case, this is great fun - carry on
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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I would say, if one lies with dogs, one is likely to have fleas. Let me quote John F Kennedy, "Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue. Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice". In every war there are innocent casualties. When faced with an overwhelming flood of fanatical, near-suicidal communists, sometimes innocents are caught in the middle. No matter how hard anyone tries to avoid it. Pinochet is a patriot for his country. The left has tried to paint him as a maniac killer and that is a lie. Were there abuses, yes, mainly by the cowardly, blood-thirsty leftists.
 
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