what am I missing?!?!

[sign guy]

Ok, I havent been on here in a cupple weeks because Ive been setting up my 125 my friends 75 and still trying to get my 25 anemonie tank up and running.
pluss today I got a treat and went with my LFS owner to his wholeseller to hand pic fish. (pause for moment of serinity and happieness followed by your abundment of jelousy) here is my problem on my 125 RR aga I hard piped it and can't find the source of the cupple million bubbles comming from my returns

. now aside from the fact that my dumb .. uh tushie put the sump in backwards ( pump in the skimmer chamber and skimmer in the pump chamber

) I cant find the source. I filled the sump up to the brim because the bubble trap in my fuge will not work in reverse as to eleminate the bubbles. what else could couse this problem

 

[ifirefight]

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[sign guy]

todays my last day off from work dose anyone have any ideas?

 

[ameno]

I would think it woulds have to be one of two things, either there's bubbles coming in to you sump and being pumped to the DT, which I'm sure you've already checked that, or there is a small hole somewhere in the return line, it woulds not nesserariely leak water but could be pulling air in as it pushes the water thru, you might try sealing around the joints with silicone or pvc glue and see if that stops it, just a thought

 

[sign guy]

Originally Posted by ameno
or there is a small hole somewhere in the return line, it woulds not nesserariely leak water but could be pulling air in as it pushes the water thru, you might try sealing around the joints with silicone or pvc glue and see if that stops it, just a thought

I had thought about that but dont know where to start, which do you think would work better pvc glue or sillicone

 

[ameno]

take longer but I think silicone would work better, you might try shutting the pump down, and turning the return valve off to put back pressure on the lines and see if it leaks water, otherwise I think you would just have to do it to all the connections, I've never had glue pvc leak but this last weekend about half of my 1.5" to 2" fittings leaked. must not be as tight of a fit as the smaller lines

 

[sign guy]

shut down pump twice once for 2 min and the second for abot an hour.
silliconed all joints
disasenbled pump and cleaned impeller
restricted flow to the point where no bubbles come out of returns and im about 75% closed

 

[wattsupdoc]

can you post some pics? I think you have a restriction in the line just prior to your syphon break. Sucking air in through the syphon break. Essentially making a venturi. It should'nt suck air in any where there is pressure. But after a restriction, there is a (guess it would be) negative pressure sucking air in. Likewise placemwnt of the syphon break itself may be the cause. I too have had an issue lately with leaky plumbing, as ameno has. Even though I thoroughly primed all the joints. So it definetly could be the joints also as ameno stated. Right after a dailed back ball valve may be a place to look also. Or even a ball valve itself. But IMO, it has to be somewhere after a restriction.

 

[sign guy]

So what's my next step? What do you suggest? Like where you're going...
I did notice if I put my finger over the anti-syphon holes, the bubbles went from larger to micro. Maybe that will give you a better idea since my camera is down at the moment.

 

[wattsupdoc]

I would say thats the problem. The air is smaller as you restrict it. Can you remove the fitting their in and replace it? Drill the hole down a little further in the water. Drilling the hole a little larger may help also. It'll let water escape after some point. Restricting the pipe a little bit after the break would probably do it also. Like putting a locline on it. I'd try the locline if you have one, then drilling the hole out larger if the pipes all glued. Then replace it with a lower hole in it.

 

[sign guy]

Ive got two anti syphone holes as it. I have the mega flow kits for my plumbing inside the tank. so there is a pipe reaching from the bulkhead in the bottom of the tankall the way to the top of the overflowbox, then an elbo (slip) and the duel loc line return (threaded). my anti syphone holes are in the inside bend of the elbo and inside of the split on the returns. ill replace the elbo and return lines tonight and let you know

 

[trippkid]

Originally Posted by sign guy
Ive got two anti syphone holes as it. I have the mega flow kits for my plumbing inside the tank. so there is a pipe reaching from the bulkhead in the bottom of the tankall the way to the top of the overflowbox, then an elbo (slip) and the duel loc line return (threaded). my anti syphone holes are in the inside bend of the elbo and inside of the split on the returns. ill replace the elbo and return lines tonight and let you know
Just try and make the existing holes slightly bigger(I have the same type), before you go tearing things apart all the way. I had the same issue a little while ago, I put in some filter socks on the drains and no more micro bubbles, I don't run a sump with baffles, and I think with the micro bubble issue, they(air bubbles) can find their way through the baffle system, IMO. If you still have the equipment in the wrong chambers, this may be the problem. The pump is or could be just pushing the bubbles up from the sump. Good luck.
Matt

 

[ameno]

sound like you may have found the culpert, good luck, let us know how it turns out, if at all possible put the holes it the pipe and not the elbow, elbow tend to be a good place for air trapment.

 

[sign guy]

YEAH BABY
that was it thank you so much i was about to drive myself crazy comming up with ideas. one more questian the overflow box on the left of the tank is flushing. meaning it will run whith a higher water level than the right OFB then sudenly suck 6 inches of water out of the OFB. this only poses two problem. 1 its kinda loud because every 15 to 20 seconds it sounds like a tolite flushing. and 2 is Im having a hard time determining the placement of the new antisiphone holes on this OFB. to close to the top and I will inject air back into the tank and too low and ill have a flood. any ideas on this?

 

[ameno]

are you using baffles? such as a stockman or dursco, after I installed a stockman on my overflow it did that and I had to increase the size of the vent hole, sound like not enough vent to give a consistent drain.
I'm not sure about how your set-up is so can't really comment on the hole placement, if there's a way to post a pic might would help.

 

[wattsupdoc]

WOOOHOOO

that deserves a banana!

1. Not getting enough air in the drain pipe. Either drill the hole a little bigger, (standpipes) or place a piece of poly tube into the drain line. A few inches down. Then run it up to the top of the tank and stick it somewhere it wont fall from(overflows only).
2. Put the hole about 1/2 in below the water surface. About the heigth of the bottom of the teeth on the OF's. It has to drain that much any ways.

 

[sign guy]

Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
WOOOHOOO

that deserves a banana!

1. Not getting enough air in the drain pipe. Either drill the hole a little bigger, (standpipes) or place a piece of poly tube into the drain line. A few inches down. Then run it up to the top of the tank and stick it somewhere it wont fall from(overflows only).
2. Put the hole about 1/2 in below the water surface. About the heigth of the bottom of the teeth on the OF's. It has to drain that much any ways.
sorry for the delay but once again you where right drilled out the siphone hole on the top of the overflow kit and im good to go. Im in a full cycle right now. just orderd my canopy and should have fish in the tank by the second week in january
thaks so much for yalls help

 

[wattsupdoc]

Aww shucks,

hey how come I allways feel like KFC whenever I see your posts?

Maybe I should look around and see if I can find a chicken hawk avatar.

 

[sign guy]

Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
Aww shucks,

hey how come I allways feel like KFC whenever I see your posts?

Maybe I should look around and see if I can find a chicken hawk avatar.

the chicken hawk or the dog

what was his name? I loved watching those two go at it