What exactly does a war cost by the percentages?

I'm asking this as a layperson when it comes to spending, because I honestly have no idea. How much money goes to Iraq and Afghanistan (and everywhere else we're engaged in a war), and of that money, what is the overall percentage of what the US spends in any given year?
I know Ron Paul is a radical thinker when it comes to foreign policy and defense spending... but he always seems to say that if we got our of the middle east our financial problems at home would be solved, or at least helped quite a bit.
So what are the actual numbers? And is "defense spending" what the general cost of war falls under?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member

I'm asking this as a layperson when it comes to spending, because I honestly have no idea. How much money goes to Iraq and Afghanistan (and everywhere else we're engaged in a war), and of that money, what is the overall percentage of what the US spends in any given year?

I know Ron Paul is a radical thinker when it comes to foreign policy and defense spending... but he always seems to say that if we got our of the middle east our financial problems at home would be solved, or at least helped quite a bit.

So what are the actual numbers? And is "defense spending" what the general cost of war falls under?

His thing extends further than the middle east. Just wanted to point that out.
It depends on how the budget is drafted. Under bush the war costs were not included in the begin year budget and were allocatted as the wars went on. Most of your defense spending is typically the cost to research, develop, purchase equipment and genaral cost to maintain it...from pensions to salaries to bases and drills, to homeland security, fbi, and cia.......it is all encompassing. Border patrol coast guard are included as well....
Your war costs are usually outside the proposed budgets.
It is dificult to get an exact figure. Mainly because all the analysis differ so much and the salary and travel costs are included. These would be expenditures the military would acrue even without the war. But with that said.
Libya. 4 million per day average.
Afghanistan 300 million per day.
Iraq 150 million per day.
Keep in mind this also includes the costs to run ships off the shores in the region...which would be running on patrol elswhere anyway.
To get the true cost of war is difficult. As you can see. Plus there are intagbibles such as va bills and such later that can never be predicted....
Another example...the bases in germany cost 102 billion annually for 227 bases.
Could some be cut? Sure......but the short term cost to relocate, tear down, and remove any dangerous items is more than it costs to maintain.
 

reefraff

Active Member
I think things other than military salaries and equipment are off budget so I am not sure the government could even say for sure. I heard Iraq was around 3 trillion but like you I am not sure if that is over and above the military budget or if they broke it down and included it in the war cost.
I was just thinking about this earlier. The left is screaming that we didn't spend enough on stimulus and spent too much on the war but shouldn't the war costs be included in stimulus spending? After all WWII is what ended the great depression. There are surely more active duty jobs than there would otherwise be. All the equipment they use has to be manufactured and maintained, logistical support jobs etc.
Not trying to derail your thread, just thought it was an interesting point.
 

tangs rule

Active Member

Year 2009 numbers for: (there is no 2010/2011 budget)
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Discretionary spending: $1.21 trillion (+4.9%) from 2008

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$515.4 billion - United States Department of Defense
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$145.2 billion(2008*) - Global War on Terror
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$70.4 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
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$68.2 billion - United States Department of Transportation
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$45.4 billion - United States Department of Education
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$44.8 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
$38.5 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
$38.3 billion - State and Other International Programs
$37.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
$25.0 billion - United States Department of Energy
$20.8 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
$20.3 billion - United States Department of Justice
$17.6 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
r />$12.5 billion - United States Department of the Treasury [*]
$10.6 billion - United States Department of the ********
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$10.5 billion - United States Department of Labor
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$8.4 billion - Social Security Administration
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$7.1 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
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$6.9 billion - National Science Foundation
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$6.3 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
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$4.7 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
$4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
$0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
$0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
$7.2 billion - Other agencies
$39.0 billion(2008*) - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending
= 1,210,000,000,000 DOLLARS per YEAR
Mandatory spending: $1.89 trillion (+6.2%) from 2008

$644 billion - Social Security
$408 billion - 2">Medicare [*]$224 billion - (SCHIP) [*]
$360 billion - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
$260 billion - Interest on National Debt
=1,890,000,000,000 DOLLARS per YEAR
TOTAL expenses well exceeded
3.1 trillion in 2009. (add QE1, QE2, Stimulus)

And thanks to Mr. Reed in the US Senate – this is the last published budget that there is (2009)… His piss-poor leadership has prevented a budget being passed in well over 800 days….
As to the OP’s original question – The wars are "off budget" items – and their costs are covered by the "continuing resolutions" that we have to pass every few months…….It’s not possible to determine how much these wars are costing – OR if we (taxpayers) are getting screwed by overcharges billed and paid thru the govt – as every quarter or 2, we pass another CR and keep things in the dark as to how much anything costs anymore..

AND do NOT assume the "budgeted" annual costs of the DOD, military, War on Terror include "war" costs - they don't....war costs are additional.
 

mantisman51

Active Member
I tend to be a hawk, well I'm actually as pro-military as an American can be, but I sometimes think how much we could have done to end our dependence on foreign oil if 10% of the war costs were put into alternative energy. Then to think of all those brave young men and women lost and crippled. Even I have to pause to think about the cost/benefit of the whole deal.
 

reefraff

Active Member
You'd have to assume we were there for the oil rather than because of it. If we let them kill each other off whoever wins will still be selling the oil.
I am all for R&D for alternative energy. What pizzez me off if paying people to install crappy solar panels when we've just scratched the surface of the potential of solar. We should be perfecting the technology.
 
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