What fish to get?
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sweatervest13
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Originally Posted by FOWLR13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529499
I came up with a new list of fish this time after doing lots of reasearch.Let me know what you think about my lists of fish!
Miniatus grouper
Volitans lionfish
Marbled cat shark
California stingray
Humu Humu triggerfish
Snowflake eel
I am not the best at fish compatibility. But to me this list looks like its an accident waiting to happen. I could be wrong (would not be the first time.... Today..).
Not only that, but this looks like a list of the messiest eaters available in the hobby. The tank would need to be large and well thought out. AND the filtration would need to be public aquarium efficient. Meaning that you would need the best mechanical filtration (lots of filter socks changed daily), the best bio filter (tons of LR, LS, possible even carbon dosing or bio pellets), and great chemical filtration (carbon and GFO). You would need a huge skimmer inside an over-sized sump tank.
I would estimate that the costs of setting up a system that would be capable of sustaining these fish would be in the $7000-$10000.00 range. Again, I could be wrong, but its probably not that far off.
Originally Posted by FOWLR13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529499
I came up with a new list of fish this time after doing lots of reasearch.Let me know what you think about my lists of fish!
Miniatus grouper
Volitans lionfish
Marbled cat shark
California stingray
Humu Humu triggerfish
Snowflake eel
I am not the best at fish compatibility. But to me this list looks like its an accident waiting to happen. I could be wrong (would not be the first time.... Today..).
Not only that, but this looks like a list of the messiest eaters available in the hobby. The tank would need to be large and well thought out. AND the filtration would need to be public aquarium efficient. Meaning that you would need the best mechanical filtration (lots of filter socks changed daily), the best bio filter (tons of LR, LS, possible even carbon dosing or bio pellets), and great chemical filtration (carbon and GFO). You would need a huge skimmer inside an over-sized sump tank.
I would estimate that the costs of setting up a system that would be capable of sustaining these fish would be in the $7000-$10000.00 range. Again, I could be wrong, but its probably not that far off.
S
saxman
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Another thing to consider is that the CA stingray (Urobatis halleri), AKA Haller's stingray, is a temperate water species that's best kept in the low to mid 60's, so it's not really compatible in that respect. You'd need a chilled, ray-friendly tank of at least about 180 gals as a minimum for this fish...if not 180 gals, you at least what a 6' x 2' tank for this fish...height really isn't too important for just the ray, but you DO want surface area and open substrate.
Non-planktonic feeding triggerfishes don't mix with lionfishes or sharks, so the picasso or rectangulus triggers (both are known as humu's) aren't a good fit either.
Minimum tank size for the shark you asked about is about 300 gals. IIRC, you have another running thread that mentions that you have, or will have, a 125 gal?
Non-planktonic feeding triggerfishes don't mix with lionfishes or sharks, so the picasso or rectangulus triggers (both are known as humu's) aren't a good fit either.
Minimum tank size for the shark you asked about is about 300 gals. IIRC, you have another running thread that mentions that you have, or will have, a 125 gal?
fowlr13
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No I was going to get a 180,and shouldn't that be adequate for a marbled cat shark.They only grow up to 2 ft.Which is as long as the tank is wide,and is 3 times the full length of the shark.And California stingrays can live in water that is at least 72 degrees which means a chiller is not required and is fine for most tropical fish.
sweatervest13
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Originally Posted by FOWLR13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529509
No I was going to get a 180,and shouldn't that be adequate for a marbled cat shark.They only grow up to 2 ft.Which is as long as the tank is wide,and is 3 times the full length of the shark.And California stingrays can live in water that is at least 72 degrees which means a chiller is not required and is fine for most tropical fish.
Lets say a person who is average height (5' 10" for an adult male living in the US) lives their entire life is a room that 11.5' x 17.5" room. They should be okay. The room is plenty big for them to walk around. But now imagine that the person needs to constantly be moving to stay alive. The room starts to feel a lot smaller and cramped. The name of the game in this hobby is not: What is the least amount of room I can give my fish to keep them alive? It is: How can I (you) provide an environment for my fish so that they can thrive and live a long life?
When all is said and done the choice is up to you. It will be your tank, for good or for bad. You are the one who needs to put up the time and money to get this up and running not anyone else here on this site. This is a place to come and ask questions from people who have some experience and maybe came across something a new hobbyist has never experienced. You have started multiple threads asking the same questions and trying to reword things so that you get the answers that you want to hear. Which is fine (can't blame you for your enthusiasm one bit!!!), but the members here will give pretty consistent answers. Certain fish will not mix well with others, some fish have special needs with regards to tank choice (size, substrate choice, flow, temp, rockwork, swimming room). It won't change if you reword your question.
It seems that you want a shark and ray, or some other aggressive fish. A 180g tank is on the bigger side, and could be a pretty BA aggressive tank. Why not take a look at some other aggressive tanks and see what kind of stock lists they have and if they have been successful keeping them long term. I will say that my LFS usually is housing a reject from a system that it outgrew or was too aggressive for.
Originally Posted by FOWLR13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529509
No I was going to get a 180,and shouldn't that be adequate for a marbled cat shark.They only grow up to 2 ft.Which is as long as the tank is wide,and is 3 times the full length of the shark.And California stingrays can live in water that is at least 72 degrees which means a chiller is not required and is fine for most tropical fish.
Lets say a person who is average height (5' 10" for an adult male living in the US) lives their entire life is a room that 11.5' x 17.5" room. They should be okay. The room is plenty big for them to walk around. But now imagine that the person needs to constantly be moving to stay alive. The room starts to feel a lot smaller and cramped. The name of the game in this hobby is not: What is the least amount of room I can give my fish to keep them alive? It is: How can I (you) provide an environment for my fish so that they can thrive and live a long life?
When all is said and done the choice is up to you. It will be your tank, for good or for bad. You are the one who needs to put up the time and money to get this up and running not anyone else here on this site. This is a place to come and ask questions from people who have some experience and maybe came across something a new hobbyist has never experienced. You have started multiple threads asking the same questions and trying to reword things so that you get the answers that you want to hear. Which is fine (can't blame you for your enthusiasm one bit!!!), but the members here will give pretty consistent answers. Certain fish will not mix well with others, some fish have special needs with regards to tank choice (size, substrate choice, flow, temp, rockwork, swimming room). It won't change if you reword your question.
It seems that you want a shark and ray, or some other aggressive fish. A 180g tank is on the bigger side, and could be a pretty BA aggressive tank. Why not take a look at some other aggressive tanks and see what kind of stock lists they have and if they have been successful keeping them long term. I will say that my LFS usually is housing a reject from a system that it outgrew or was too aggressive for.
sweatervest13
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But catsharks don't need to move constantly to survive.Most of the time they are on the bottom resting or in caves searching for food.So a 180 seems fine for a non pelagic shark like a catshark.
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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529510
Lets say a person who is average height (5' 10" for an adult male living in the US) lives their entire life is a room that 11.5' x 17.5" room. They should be okay. The room is plenty big for them to walk around. But now imagine that the person needs to constantly be moving to stay alive. The room starts to feel a lot smaller and cramped. The name of the game in this hobby is not: What is the least amount of room I can give my fish to keep them alive? It is: How can I (you) provide an environment for my fish so that they can thrive and live a long life?
When all is said and done the choice is up to you. It will be your tank, for good or for bad. You are the one who needs to put up the time and money to get this up and running not anyone else here on this site. This is a place to come and ask questions from people who have some experience and maybe came across something a new hobbyist has never experienced. You have started multiple threads asking the same questions and trying to reword things so that you get the answers that you want to hear. Which is fine (can't blame you for your enthusiasm one bit!!!), but the members here will give pretty consistent answers. Certain fish will not mix well with others, some fish have special needs with regards to tank choice (size, substrate choice, flow, temp, rockwork, swimming room). It won't change if you reword your question.
It seems that you want a shark and ray, or some other aggressive fish. A 180g tank is on the bigger side, and could be a pretty BA aggressive tank. Why not take a look at some other aggressive tanks and see what kind of stock lists they have and if they have been successful keeping them long term. I will say that my LFS usually is housing a reject from a system that it outgrew or was too aggressive for.
Your tank... Your choice. Good luck with everything.
My suggestion would be to look for cheap equipment on CL. That place is packed full of hobbyists that have grown tired of the hobby or found it too hard to maintain a SW system (not that it is difficult to keep a SW tank going, its just some people don't make good choices and get super frustrated when the tank comes crashing down). You can often find someone who spent thousands of dollars setting up a large system who is selling it off for pennies on the dollar. The usual rate is about 50% of the purchase price or less. Usually big tanks will cost about $1.00/ gallon (not listed price, but can be bartered down to a buck a gallon).
Again, Good luck. Keep us posted on the tank setup.
But catsharks don't need to move constantly to survive.Most of the time they are on the bottom resting or in caves searching for food.So a 180 seems fine for a non pelagic shark like a catshark.
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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529510
Lets say a person who is average height (5' 10" for an adult male living in the US) lives their entire life is a room that 11.5' x 17.5" room. They should be okay. The room is plenty big for them to walk around. But now imagine that the person needs to constantly be moving to stay alive. The room starts to feel a lot smaller and cramped. The name of the game in this hobby is not: What is the least amount of room I can give my fish to keep them alive? It is: How can I (you) provide an environment for my fish so that they can thrive and live a long life?
When all is said and done the choice is up to you. It will be your tank, for good or for bad. You are the one who needs to put up the time and money to get this up and running not anyone else here on this site. This is a place to come and ask questions from people who have some experience and maybe came across something a new hobbyist has never experienced. You have started multiple threads asking the same questions and trying to reword things so that you get the answers that you want to hear. Which is fine (can't blame you for your enthusiasm one bit!!!), but the members here will give pretty consistent answers. Certain fish will not mix well with others, some fish have special needs with regards to tank choice (size, substrate choice, flow, temp, rockwork, swimming room). It won't change if you reword your question.
It seems that you want a shark and ray, or some other aggressive fish. A 180g tank is on the bigger side, and could be a pretty BA aggressive tank. Why not take a look at some other aggressive tanks and see what kind of stock lists they have and if they have been successful keeping them long term. I will say that my LFS usually is housing a reject from a system that it outgrew or was too aggressive for.
Your tank... Your choice. Good luck with everything.
My suggestion would be to look for cheap equipment on CL. That place is packed full of hobbyists that have grown tired of the hobby or found it too hard to maintain a SW system (not that it is difficult to keep a SW tank going, its just some people don't make good choices and get super frustrated when the tank comes crashing down). You can often find someone who spent thousands of dollars setting up a large system who is selling it off for pennies on the dollar. The usual rate is about 50% of the purchase price or less. Usually big tanks will cost about $1.00/ gallon (not listed price, but can be bartered down to a buck a gallon).
Again, Good luck. Keep us posted on the tank setup.
S
saxman
Guest
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Originally Posted by FOWLR13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529509
No I was going to get a 180,and shouldn't that be adequate for a marbled cat shark.They only grow up to 2 ft.Which is as long as the tank is wide,and is 3 times the full length of the shark.And California stingrays can live in water that is at least 72 degrees which means a chiller is not required and is fine for most tropical fish.
I live in So. CA, right on the coast...have been here all my life, and I can tell you that the water here RARELY even hits 70*, and if it does, it's just for a short time. Additionally, I'd be very surprised if you could maintain a system at 72*F without a chiller or lots of fans, which have their own issues, unless you live someplace cold, or run your AC all the time. We bred tropical SH for several years, and I can tell you that keeping a tank below 74*F without a chiller is very tuff. FWIW, we've kept temperate predator tanks in the low 60's, and again, they needed to be chilled.
I think it's obvious by now that you're looking for VALIDATION rather than INFORMATION...someone to say "yeah dood, sweet...go for it!" That person won't be me...
Originally Posted by FOWLR13 http:///t/396205/what-fish-to-get#post_3529509
No I was going to get a 180,and shouldn't that be adequate for a marbled cat shark.They only grow up to 2 ft.Which is as long as the tank is wide,and is 3 times the full length of the shark.And California stingrays can live in water that is at least 72 degrees which means a chiller is not required and is fine for most tropical fish.
I live in So. CA, right on the coast...have been here all my life, and I can tell you that the water here RARELY even hits 70*, and if it does, it's just for a short time. Additionally, I'd be very surprised if you could maintain a system at 72*F without a chiller or lots of fans, which have their own issues, unless you live someplace cold, or run your AC all the time. We bred tropical SH for several years, and I can tell you that keeping a tank below 74*F without a chiller is very tuff. FWIW, we've kept temperate predator tanks in the low 60's, and again, they needed to be chilled.
I think it's obvious by now that you're looking for VALIDATION rather than INFORMATION...someone to say "yeah dood, sweet...go for it!" That person won't be me...
