What to buy on SWF.com (30gal) l@@K inside.

vampofvegas

Member
Ok, I have a 30gal aka 29galCurrent residence:
1x T. Percula Clown
1x PJ Cardinal
1x Cleaner Shrimp
1x Blue Leg Hermit (hitcher)
7x Nassarius Snails
Equip:

Heater
30lbs or so of LR
Sand Substrate
1 Powerhead (from *****)
Rena XP1 canister filter (250gph)
I want to order off SWF.com:
1x Neon Goby (because they on a super good sale right now)
1x Blue Reef Chromis

Both are not available at my LFS.. not on any of their ordering lists..
Is there anything else I should put in my SWF.com shopping cart? I dont mean fish wise.. because i think thats pretty much max for my tank. I wouldnt mind some more inverts actually..
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Kanicky
If I'm not mistaken, SWF has a minimum order amount. You may want to check that

And I don't believe dry goods count towards that limit.
 

vampofvegas

Member
Originally Posted by TeresaQ
79.99 then you have 9.99 handling and 9.99 gas charge.
Well whats the point of that? I dont need to fully stock an aquarium. Seems pointless to me. People will smaller tanks that dont want to over stock seemed kinda left out. Kinda bummed now.
Plus another online store wants 86.00 for shipping for a Blue Chromis.. holy crap..
 
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sexyshrimp101

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Originally Posted by VampOfVegas
Well whats the point of that? I dont need to fully stock an aquarium. Seems pointless to me. People will smaller tanks that dont want to over stock seemed kinda left out. Kinda bummed now.
I have wanted to order from SWF.com in the past, but haven't because of the minimum order amount of $79.99. It bums me out too :(
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by VampOfVegas
Well whats the point of that? I dont need to fully stock an aquarium. Seems pointless to me. People will smaller tanks that dont want to over stock seemed kinda left out. Kinda bummed now.
Our local reef club does group buys from SWF. Maybe some people in your area will go in on a larger group buy.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by VampOfVegas
Well whats the point of that? I dont need to fully stock an aquarium. Seems pointless to me. People will smaller tanks that dont want to over stock seemed kinda left out. Kinda bummed now.
Sorry.
Corals and inverts do count but not dry goods.
It is certainly inconvenient for small hobbyists, but from a business standpoint it makes sense. Since they do not charge actual shipping costs SWF has determined 79.99 is the break even point.
Can you imagine the cost/headache if there was no minimum?
 

vampofvegas

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Sorry.
Can you imagine the cost/headache if there was no minimum?
But they would get more orders to possibly justfiy letting alot more smaller orders in.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by VampOfVegas
But they would get more orders to possibly justfiy letting alot more smaller orders in.
Quantity of orders would be a bad thing if they lost money on every one.
 

socal57che

Active Member
I just looked and the local reef club has a group buy from SWF active right now and taking orders. Surely LV has reefers who will go in with you.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by VampOfVegas
But they would get more orders to possibly justfiy letting alot more smaller orders in.
It is economies of scale. There is a high fixed cost of having to ship a fish. But the change in cost of shipping one fish vs 2 is minimal. So they have decided that at 80 dollars worth of fish, plus 20 bucks of shipping, (come on you know that is what it is) they have overcome the fixed cost and turn their desired profit. If not you would have to go with pricing based on quanity, or mark each fish up enough to cover shipping (and become uncompetitive) and that is just too confusing for the average buyer.
 

maelv

Active Member
Originally Posted by VampOfVegas
But they would get more orders to possibly justfiy letting alot more smaller orders in.
That they would.....however they would lose out....if you look on any other site, they charge anywhere from 30 - 45 bucks for overnight shipping. Would you pay for your reef chromis and goby + actual shipping costs? It is an inconvenience for smaller orders, but it isn't difficult to reach 79.99 in this hobby, that is for certain.
On another note, you may want to look into it, but from what I hear blue reef chromis are very agressive and will bully absolutely any other fish smaller then it is. And I know I saw some pretty good size blue chromis at a LFS once...just food for thought.
 
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sexyshrimp101

Guest
Originally Posted by stdreb27
It is economies of scale. There is a high fixed cost of having to ship a fish. But the change in cost of shipping one fish vs 2 is minimal. So they have decided that at 80 dollars worth of fish, plus 20 bucks of shipping, (come on you know that is what it is) they have overcome the fixed cost and turn their desired profit. If not you would have to go with pricing based on quanity, or mark each fish up enough to cover shipping (and become uncompetitive) and that is just too confusing for the average buyer.
That makes sense, I suppose I didn't think of it that way
 
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knightcreek

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I have not ordered from this site before and never will order a fish off line for these reasons...
1. Fish are even more stressed out by another additional stuffing in a bag and then have to endure another shipping process scared as hell.
2. Why, as a concerned and catious aquarist would you agree to purchase a fish without ever seeing it. Would you buy a puppy or kitten blindly without ever actually seeing and inspecting the animal yourself? I hope not. You order the fish on blind faith that what you purchase is what you want. I hope even for those of us that shop at local fish stores, that just because you want any specific type of fish, that you don't settle for buying the first one in stock even if it is in less than optimum health just for the sake of wanting one. Senseless.
3. What if the fish is not up to your standards? I supose this site has a 15 day guarantee. So can you even send a fish back to them? How the hell does the home aquarist do this so as to be as harmless to the fish as possible? This is not the same as a drive down to the local store.
4. I guess if there are no local fish stores, online will have to suffice, but the whole ordeal involes the compromising of the health and integrity of the fish. As aquarists it should be our priority to cater to the well being of the specimens that we purchase. By doing so we take their well being into our own hands, so buying online not only places the consumer at a disadvantge of purchasing on blind faith, but also encourages further stress on the same fish that we care to nurture.
*** Just my opinion...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by knightcreek
I have not ordered from this site before and never will order a fish off line for these reasons...
1. Fish are even more stressed out by another additional stuffing in a bag and then have to endure another shipping process scared as hell.
2. Why, as a concerned and catious aquarist would you agree to purchase a fish without ever seeing it. Would you buy a puppy or kitten blindly without ever actually seeing and inspecting the animal yourself? I hope not. You order the fish on blind faith that what you purchase is what you want. I hope even for those of us that shop at local fish stores, that just because you want any specific type of fish, that you don't settle for buying the first one in stock even if it is in less than optimum health just for the sake of wanting one. Senseless.
3. What if the fish is not up to your standards? I supose this site has a 15 day guarantee. So can you even send a fish back to them? How the hell does the home aquarist do this so as to be as harmless to the fish as possible? This is not the same as a drive down to the local store.
4. I guess if there are no local fish stores, online will have to suffice, but the whole ordeal involes the compromising of the health and integrity of the fish. As aquarists it should be our priority to cater to the well being of the specimens that we purchase. By doing so we take their well being into our own hands, so buying online not only places the consumer at a disadvantge of purchasing on blind faith, but also encourages further stress on the same fish that we care to nurture.
*** Just my opinion...
I think that weighs into my decision to buy online, but I used to live out in the boonies, and a 2 hour drive to the lfs is alot harder (on me) than a couple clicks on the computer.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by knightcreek
I have not ordered from this site before and never will order a fish off line for these reasons...
1. Fish are even more stressed out by another additional stuffing in a bag and then have to endure another shipping process scared as hell.
2. Why, as a concerned and catious aquarist would you agree to purchase a fish without ever seeing it. Would you buy a puppy or kitten blindly without ever actually seeing and inspecting the animal yourself? I hope not. You order the fish on blind faith that what you purchase is what you want. I hope even for those of us that shop at local fish stores, that just because you want any specific type of fish, that you don't settle for buying the first one in stock even if it is in less than optimum health just for the sake of wanting one. Senseless.
3. What if the fish is not up to your standards? I supose this site has a 15 day guarantee. So can you even send a fish back to them? How the hell does the home aquarist do this so as to be as harmless to the fish as possible? This is not the same as a drive down to the local store.
4. I guess if there are no local fish stores, online will have to suffice, but the whole ordeal involes the compromising of the health and integrity of the fish. As aquarists it should be our priority to cater to the well being of the specimens that we purchase. By doing so we take their well being into our own hands, so buying online not only places the consumer at a disadvantge of purchasing on blind faith, but also encourages further stress on the same fish that we care to nurture.
*** Just my opinion...
Well, to be fair let's discuss your concerns.
1. Getting a fish or invert from SWF may very well cut down on stress for the fish. SWF buys and ships to you. Your local fish store buys fish from dealers, who buy from dealers, etc. Furthermore, you can be sure to properly QT and treat the fish for stress. Your local store will not.
2. You buy only from reputable online dealers with great guarantees. As we all know, a fish sold in a pet store could easily die from it's treatment days after we bring it home. Most stores do not provide any kind of guarantee.
3. See #2
4. See #1. The fish goes through less hands and gets into a stable environment faster when we buy from SWF.
 
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knightcreek

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Well, to be fair let's discuss your concerns.
1. Getting a fish or invert from SWF may very well cut down on stress for the fish. SWF buys and ships to you. Your local fish store buys fish from dealers, who buy from dealers, etc. Furthermore, you can be sure to properly QT and treat the fish for stress. Your local store will not.
2. You buy only from reputable online dealers with great guarantees. As we all know, a fish sold in a pet store could easily die from it's treatment days after we bring it home. Most stores do not provide any kind of guarantee.
3. See #2
4. See #1. The fish goes through less hands and gets into a stable environment faster when we buy from SWF.
Compared to other online fish stores, SWF does have a pretty lenient 15 day guarantee and an honorable return policy for livestock that arrives dead. You are correct in saying that most local stores would not offer a 15 day guarantee, however most stores at the least would give credit fo a fish that dies relatively soon after it's purchase (24-48hrs.). My objection with that is that as a careful aquarist/consumer you should check on your fish at the store a couple times, make sure its eating well, and parasite free, etc. By purchasing online, you are forfeiting that ability over to someone you don't even know who works for SWFor another site. So what your money ends up purchasing is ultimately based on whichever specimen the site chooses to send you. The only choice you have is what type of fish, but which one, you must accept as being choosen blindly. Once again, I make the analogy to buying a puppy or kitten online, perhaps a labrador, so cool you know what a lab puppy generally looks like, but have no say as to which one specifically. How many people would buy a puppy online....hopefully none to few unless you agree that if you do,you have no credible right to complain as to what was chosen for you. Perhaps you know more about the middleman situation of SWF compared to that of local stores. However, it seems odd to asume that SWF has no middleman, that they by the fish straight from the guy who caught it and I doubt that local stores end up stocking their tanks with fish that have passed through more hands than weed... from dealer to dealer and so on
Plus, SWF ships with Fedex right, I have received several packages from them that have obvious damage to the box and even had to send some purchases back to the site I bought them from because my merchandise was messed up, so having that experience and knowing that the fedex dude doesn't even care about your fish in the box...you not only buy the fish on faith of the online store, but now even on the method of transport, the guy loading it onto the plane, then being sorted out by fedex, loaded into a truck, and then finally delivered to your house. The only way I might buy online was if I lived way too far away from a store in which case I would want to be emailed a picture of my actual fish and even then I'd still pray that it would be a healthy specimen and apologize for its travel plans. SWF is in FL apparently. I am in Cali so that helps to justify my shipping concern. I would not take this big of a risk, perhaps you would.
 
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