M
mohd
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Anyone can tell me how to cure white spot in Pakistan butterfly?
boaboi
New Member
what is white spot is it ich? i am currently using 100% organic ich treatments. it is very safe and takes a week. you could use copper treatments which is faster but same price around 5 dollars. if u have inverts then the copper kills them thats why i use organic. plus if u overdose on copper it kills ur fish. just remeber to take out carbon
lion_crazz
Active Member
No Copper with butterflies! That's for sure.
What are the levels in the tank? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kH, salinity, temp)
How long has the tank been set-up?
How long have you had the butterfly?
What are the levels in the tank? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kH, salinity, temp)
How long has the tank been set-up?
How long have you had the butterfly?
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by boaboi
what is white spot is it ich? i am currently using 100% organic ich treatments. it is very safe and takes a week. you could use copper treatments which is faster but same price around 5 dollars. if u have inverts then the copper kills them thats why i use organic. plus if u overdose on copper it kills ur fish. just remeber to take out carbon
Thank for your kindly suggest. I got first 3 Pakistan butterfly the sign appeared around 5 days after comming and put in my display tank without qualantine. They were cure by copper for 6 hrs this time I loss the biggest one.
Last 4 days, I got more 5 Pakistan and 2 black back.... Just amazing that my 2 black back enjoy eatting but seem to become slimmer.....slimmer and (Dry) in the corner of rock. After my black back gone! the sign of ich start to appear that I can see white spot all over the body and the skin and mouth become having pus and turn pink colour.
I start to put them in Methyline Blue for bathing and return to the tank. The sign is getting more terrible this morning and gone.
So far, all new 6 Pakistan and 2 black back are gone only ( The 2 ) survived.
what is white spot is it ich? i am currently using 100% organic ich treatments. it is very safe and takes a week. you could use copper treatments which is faster but same price around 5 dollars. if u have inverts then the copper kills them thats why i use organic. plus if u overdose on copper it kills ur fish. just remeber to take out carbon
Thank for your kindly suggest. I got first 3 Pakistan butterfly the sign appeared around 5 days after comming and put in my display tank without qualantine. They were cure by copper for 6 hrs this time I loss the biggest one.
Last 4 days, I got more 5 Pakistan and 2 black back.... Just amazing that my 2 black back enjoy eatting but seem to become slimmer.....slimmer and (Dry) in the corner of rock. After my black back gone! the sign of ich start to appear that I can see white spot all over the body and the skin and mouth become having pus and turn pink colour.
I start to put them in Methyline Blue for bathing and return to the tank. The sign is getting more terrible this morning and gone.
So far, all new 6 Pakistan and 2 black back are gone only ( The 2 ) survived.
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
No Copper with butterflies! That's for sure.
What are the levels in the tank? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kH, salinity, temp)
How long has the tank been set-up?
How long have you had the butterfly?
My tank level nothing wrong only temperature too high for this summer (29-31 C)
In my oppion ! I have to qualantine all of my new fishes before put in the display tank. What should I use for qualantine the fish? Copper or Methyline Blue?
No Copper with butterflies! That's for sure.
What are the levels in the tank? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, kH, salinity, temp)
How long has the tank been set-up?
How long have you had the butterfly?
My tank level nothing wrong only temperature too high for this summer (29-31 C)
In my oppion ! I have to qualantine all of my new fishes before put in the display tank. What should I use for qualantine the fish? Copper or Methyline Blue?
lion_crazz
Active Member
Yeah, 29 would be pushing it, 31 would be WAY too high. That's nearly 89F! Yikes...
What are the numbers though? What is your ammonia, nitrite,nitrate,pH,kH, and salinity at? We can't help you without knowing numbers.
Also, how long has the tank been running?
What are the numbers though? What is your ammonia, nitrite,nitrate,pH,kH, and salinity at? We can't help you without knowing numbers.
Also, how long has the tank been running?
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Yeah, 29 would be pushing it, 31 would be WAY too high. That's nearly 89F! Yikes...
What are the numbers though? What is your ammonia, nitrite,nitrate,pH,kH, and salinity at? We can't help you without knowing numbers.
Also, how long has the tank been running?
Ammonia =0
nitrite less than 0.2
nitrate non
Ph 8.4
Kh unknow
salinity 1.022
I have running for 4 months
Yeah, 29 would be pushing it, 31 would be WAY too high. That's nearly 89F! Yikes...
What are the numbers though? What is your ammonia, nitrite,nitrate,pH,kH, and salinity at? We can't help you without knowing numbers.
Also, how long has the tank been running?
Ammonia =0
nitrite less than 0.2
nitrate non
Ph 8.4
Kh unknow
salinity 1.022
I have running for 4 months
lion_crazz
Active Member
Honestly, I would say that the combination of your tank's immaturity and your very high water temp is why you keep losing them. Even if you were to QT them and eliminate the ich, they need a much more established tank to thrive. Instead of coming down with ich because you will remove that with a hypo and QT, I would doubt that they would begin eating as they should.
What size tank is this? I assume you have live rock. How much do you have?
What size tank is this? I assume you have live rock. How much do you have?
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Honestly, I would say that the combination of your tank's immaturity and your very high water temp is why you keep losing them. Even if you were to QT them and eliminate the ich, they need a much more established tank to thrive. Instead of coming down with ich because you will remove that with a hypo and QT, I would doubt that they would begin eating as they should.
What size tank is this? I assume you have live rock. How much do you have?
Now just a fan do here.... drop from 31-29! That mean I have to QT all new fish...right?
How about Methyline blue? soaking or bathing for 4 hrs or longer.
Honestly, I would say that the combination of your tank's immaturity and your very high water temp is why you keep losing them. Even if you were to QT them and eliminate the ich, they need a much more established tank to thrive. Instead of coming down with ich because you will remove that with a hypo and QT, I would doubt that they would begin eating as they should.
What size tank is this? I assume you have live rock. How much do you have?
Now just a fan do here.... drop from 31-29! That mean I have to QT all new fish...right?
How about Methyline blue? soaking or bathing for 4 hrs or longer.
lion_crazz
Active Member
No, I personally would not use methyline blue or copper in this situation. You are dealing with butterflies here, a far too delicate fish to handle a heavy treatment with either product. I would suggest a hyposalinity treatment. That will be a lot less stressful, and will kill the ich just the same. I would also dose garlic and vitamins into the food to provide the fish strength.
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
No, I personally would not use methyline blue or copper in this situation. You are dealing with butterflies here, a far too delicate fish to handle a heavy treatment with either product. I would suggest a hyposalinity treatment. That will be a lot less stressful, and will kill the ich just the same. I would also dose garlic and vitamins into the food to provide the fish strength.
Can Ozone kill ICH in the tank? Next comming fish would be kept in QT tank at less 5 days.
No, I personally would not use methyline blue or copper in this situation. You are dealing with butterflies here, a far too delicate fish to handle a heavy treatment with either product. I would suggest a hyposalinity treatment. That will be a lot less stressful, and will kill the ich just the same. I would also dose garlic and vitamins into the food to provide the fish strength.
Can Ozone kill ICH in the tank? Next comming fish would be kept in QT tank at less 5 days.
lion_crazz
Active Member
A 5 day QT will not do anything. You might as well not waste your time. They need a 3 week quarantine.
Ozone is not something that I would recommend as far as treating ich in a fish tank. A UV sterilizer may help you by killing a lot of the free floating ich, but it still will not help the fish and kill all of the ich.
Ozone is not something that I would recommend as far as treating ich in a fish tank. A UV sterilizer may help you by killing a lot of the free floating ich, but it still will not help the fish and kill all of the ich.
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
A 5 day QT will not do anything. You might as well not waste your time. They need a 3 week quarantine.
Ozone is not something that I would recommend as far as treating ich in a fish tank. A UV sterilizer may help you by killing a lot of the free floating ich, but it still will not help the fish and kill all of the ich.
God! 3 weeks? Nobody tell me the period in my country...! Thank for you suggestion People here just suggest me to install the ozone air line to the skimmer by giving the reason that the ozone will kill all pathogen in the skimmer after the powerhead suck the water in.
What can my ozonizer does with my tank against pathogen?
A 5 day QT will not do anything. You might as well not waste your time. They need a 3 week quarantine.
Ozone is not something that I would recommend as far as treating ich in a fish tank. A UV sterilizer may help you by killing a lot of the free floating ich, but it still will not help the fish and kill all of the ich.
God! 3 weeks? Nobody tell me the period in my country...! Thank for you suggestion People here just suggest me to install the ozone air line to the skimmer by giving the reason that the ozone will kill all pathogen in the skimmer after the powerhead suck the water in.
What can my ozonizer does with my tank against pathogen?
lion_crazz
Active Member
I have never used ozone in my skimmer, so I had to refer to the experts for you on this question. My general consensus is that ozone is good if you used properly, however, it definitely should not be relied upon as sole treatment of parasites. I would personally do a slow hypo treatment and use garlic and vitamins in their food. If you want to use the ozone, it can help you kill them faster, but the best way will still be hyposalinity, which Beth goes in great detail in the FAQ thread at the top of this message board.
One source I found on ozone, Fenner and Wet Web Media, say that ozone is "much more effective (than UV sterilizers) at killing parasites and helps to maintain top notch water quality when properly installed and monitored."
Another source, the customer service over at EuroReef, say "We do not recommend using ozone in protein skimmers as it greatly reduces the efficiency of the skimmer and produces more nitrate in the system."
One source I found on ozone, Fenner and Wet Web Media, say that ozone is "much more effective (than UV sterilizers) at killing parasites and helps to maintain top notch water quality when properly installed and monitored."
Another source, the customer service over at EuroReef, say "We do not recommend using ozone in protein skimmers as it greatly reduces the efficiency of the skimmer and produces more nitrate in the system."
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
I have never used ozone in my skimmer, so I had to refer to the experts for you on this question. My general consensus is that ozone is good if you used properly, however, it definitely should not be relied upon as sole treatment of parasites. I would personally do a slow hypo treatment and use garlic and vitamins in their food. If you want to use the ozone, it can help you kill them faster, but the best way will still be hyposalinity, which Beth goes in great detail in the FAQ thread at the top of this message board.
One source I found on ozone, Fenner and Wet Web Media, say that ozone is "much more effective (than UV sterilizers) at killing parasites and helps to maintain top notch water quality when properly installed and monitored."
Another source, the customer service over at EuroReef, say "We do not recommend using ozone in protein skimmers as it greatly reduces the efficiency of the skimmer and produces more nitrate in the system."
Ok..! Can I treat such parasite with hypo method in my display tank, by add fresh water to the tank to the suitable lavel? Now... I got 1 carpet animone / 2 crawn fish / 2 Pakistan butterfly.
I have never used ozone in my skimmer, so I had to refer to the experts for you on this question. My general consensus is that ozone is good if you used properly, however, it definitely should not be relied upon as sole treatment of parasites. I would personally do a slow hypo treatment and use garlic and vitamins in their food. If you want to use the ozone, it can help you kill them faster, but the best way will still be hyposalinity, which Beth goes in great detail in the FAQ thread at the top of this message board.
One source I found on ozone, Fenner and Wet Web Media, say that ozone is "much more effective (than UV sterilizers) at killing parasites and helps to maintain top notch water quality when properly installed and monitored."
Another source, the customer service over at EuroReef, say "We do not recommend using ozone in protein skimmers as it greatly reduces the efficiency of the skimmer and produces more nitrate in the system."
Ok..! Can I treat such parasite with hypo method in my display tank, by add fresh water to the tank to the suitable lavel? Now... I got 1 carpet animone / 2 crawn fish / 2 Pakistan butterfly.
lion_crazz
Active Member
No, definitely not in the display tank with any live rock or invert, such as a carpet anemone.
The hypo treatment needs to be done very precisely, so it will require a refractometer. Do you have one of those to test your salt level?
The hypo treatment needs to be done very precisely, so it will require a refractometer. Do you have one of those to test your salt level?
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
No, definitely not in the display tank with any live rock or invert, such as a carpet anemone.
The hypo treatment needs to be done very precisely, so it will require a refractometer. Do you have one of those to test your salt level?
ํYes! I got that meter for testing salt level here. One more method to save all liverock and Animoe by remove all fish to QT tank and treat them with copper. The display tank's temperature wouod be increase 1-2 c' from 29 to 30-31 C' for 2-3 weeks, Without fish that mean they have no host..... I can use this method?
No, definitely not in the display tank with any live rock or invert, such as a carpet anemone.
The hypo treatment needs to be done very precisely, so it will require a refractometer. Do you have one of those to test your salt level?
ํYes! I got that meter for testing salt level here. One more method to save all liverock and Animoe by remove all fish to QT tank and treat them with copper. The display tank's temperature wouod be increase 1-2 c' from 29 to 30-31 C' for 2-3 weeks, Without fish that mean they have no host..... I can use this method?
lion_crazz
Active Member
Copper with butterflies is never a good idea. I would just do a hyposalinity treatment to the fish in QT for 3 to 4 weeks.
M
mohd
Guest
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Copper with butterflies is never a good idea. I would just do a hyposalinity treatment to the fish in QT for 3 to 4 weeks.
Now! all of my fish was gone, they firstly infected with Ich and Oodinium and end up with Bactiria infecting. I buy a AQUPHAM ICH CURE let it do the job and it work well with my animone ( Second dose / 5th day) My animone still alive and apipot still at tank display side moving around.
From here! I just curious to know can such product really has its capacities to cure Ich? and How long can Ich last in my tank ( without fish and 33 C' ) ?
The product suggests 5 dose for curing.
http://www.aquapharmlabs.com/medication.php
Copper with butterflies is never a good idea. I would just do a hyposalinity treatment to the fish in QT for 3 to 4 weeks.
Now! all of my fish was gone, they firstly infected with Ich and Oodinium and end up with Bactiria infecting. I buy a AQUPHAM ICH CURE let it do the job and it work well with my animone ( Second dose / 5th day) My animone still alive and apipot still at tank display side moving around.
From here! I just curious to know can such product really has its capacities to cure Ich? and How long can Ich last in my tank ( without fish and 33 C' ) ?
The product suggests 5 dose for curing.
http://www.aquapharmlabs.com/medication.php
lion_crazz
Active Member
Well, if there is no fish in the tank, there is no need to dose such a product. The ich will die off in 4-6 weeks without a host.
Other than that, I have never used the product.
Other than that, I have never used the product.