Who said the following?

[darthtang aw]

And what do you think of these statements.

The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.

[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.

Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies… and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit…
Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.

Give dysgenic groups [people with bad genes] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization.

Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.
We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

A woman’s duty: To look the whole world in the face with a go-to-hell look in the eyes… to speak and act in defiance of convention.

[The most penetrating thinkers] are coming to see that a qualitative factor as opposed to a quantitative one is of primary importance in dealing with the great masses of humanity.

Such parents swell the pathetic ranks of the unemployed. Feeble-mindedness perpetuates itself from the ranks of those who are blandly indifferent to their racial responsibilities. And it is largely this type of humanity we are now drawing upon to populate our world for the generations to come. In this orgy of multiplying and replenishing the earth, this type is pari passu multiplying and perpetuating those direst evils in which we must, if civilization is to survive, extirpate by the very roots.

Women of the working class, especially wage workers, should not have more than two children at most. The average working man can support no more and and the average working woman can take care of no more in decent fashion.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Michelle Bachman?

 

[snakeblitz33]

Margaret Sanger? Planned parenthood?

 

[darthtang aw]

Margaret Sanger? Planned parenthood?
Yep. The founder of Planned Parenthood. They named an award after her. Guess which politician received that award this week.

 

[snakeblitz33]

let me guess... Bachman?

just kidding

cant be Nancy Pelosi, right?

 

[darthtang aw]

Yes, nancy pelosi it is. During her acceptance speech she called pro-lifers dumb. So apparently those that view a fetus as a baby and a human are dumb to believe so.
I give you the house minority leader for the party of "tolerance".

 

[reefraff]

Margarete Sanger who, in 2008 Hillary Clinton said that was her personal hero.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Eh, I believe in a woman's right to choose. But, only up to the end of the first trimester. I think three months is long enough to think about it. BUT, that's just me... even though a woman may or may not know she is pregnant for the first six weeks...

 

[2quills]

It's about time we start cracking down on people's ridiculous breeding habbits around here. Why would we want to save all of these future dependant fetuses anyway?
That American baby code thing is genius.

 

[reefraff]

Sanger was nothing shot of evil and for anyone to refer to her as a personal hero demonstrates a troubling lack of character. It has nothing to do with today's pro choice, pro life debate either. I'd say that after the 2nd trimester there should be a demonstrable medical reason with the mother or baby for a doctor to be allowed to do an abortion and the law should be directed at the doc, not the woman. Just my humble opinion.

 

[2quills]

Sanger, didn't advocate abortion. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

 

[geridoc]

Sanger was profoundly anti-abortion, calling the practice "horrible". She strongly advocated for contraception as a way to reduce the abortion rate, but she was a product of her own time. In the late 19th and early 20th century eugenics was the ultimate word in science. Indeed, the world-famed Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, where James Watson and other past and future Nobel winners are located, began life as an eugenics center. Today, mainstream science has reputed the eugenic movement, but this has not deterred the extreme ends of the political/sociological spectrum from advocating just such approaches.

 

[aggiealum]

Yes, nancy pelosi it is. During her acceptance speech she called pro-lifers dumb. So apparently those that view a fetus as a baby and a human are dumb to believe so.
I give you the house minority leader for the party of "tolerance".
Got tired of the gu.n debate, so he goes to the next controversial topic - abortion. Wind them up and watch them spin!
At least Pelosi calls them as she sees them. Don't let science get in the way of ignorance.

 

[darthtang aw]

Where have i mentioned abortion? In fact, as stated, none of the quotes have anything to do with abortion.
Glad to know you are as intolerant of people that view a fetus as a life.
I didnt quit the gun debate. You did.

 

[2quills]

Where have i mentioned abortion? In fact, as stated, none of the quotes have anything to do with abortion.
Glad to know you are as intolerant of people that view a fetus as a life.
Post #6 had abortion written all over it which is how you led Seth off onto the current tangent which just snowballed from there.
Sanger was a product of her time and environment as mentioned. However, had eugenics been fully implemented back in the day then perhaps we wouldn't have a current admin. chalked full of prime examples for the eugenics argument.
Everybody knows those awards are just feel good tokens for back scratchers.

 

[aggiealum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397431/who-said-the-following#post_3542328
Where have i mentioned abortion? In fact, as stated, none of the quotes have anything to do with abortion.
Glad to know you are as intolerant of people that view a fetus as a life.
I didnt quit the gun debate. You did.
Arguing your constant circular logic was an effort in futility. I quit nothing. I'm right, you're wrong. End of story.

Of course you didn't mention abortion. You never directly imply anything. However, it's doesn't take a rocket science to figure you out and what you try to accomplish. If this isn't about abortion, then why do you care about this particular individual? Why not discuss her many positive attributes with her contributions to women's health with the creation of Planned Parenthood? You religious Conservs only associate that organization with abortions, and seem to forget their primary mission is to provide other medical services to women including Mammography's to detect breast cancer, cervical cancer screenings, birth control services, and a myriad of wellness care for those less fortunate that can't afford regular health screenings.

You actually want to talk about intolerance? I find it comical that you hate it when the government wants to make decisions about your health care, want to create stricter gun laws that you seem to think violate your 2nd Amendment rights, or even make decisions about what to do with illegal immigrants, but have no problem with that government telling women what they can or can't do with their bodies. I could care less what your definition of a "fetus" may be (the science and medical community clearing have a definition for it), and whether you consider it "living" in the first or second trimester of a pregnancy. The current laws state a women has the legal right to terminate those specific pregnancies, and until those laws are changed, states and these Pro Lifers have no business or right trying to "bend" the laws to suit their religious convictions to inhibit a woman access to facilities that offer those services. I find it intolerant that "you people" think your "moral convictions" in regards to abortion take precedence over those that have no issue with the procedure. You quote some inane Bible verses to justify your cause, then twist the definition of a word to suit your agendas. Pro Lifer's talk about the sanctity of some fetuses life, but have no problems with bombing these Planned Parenthood facilities or murdering doctors who perform abortions. I guess those lives don't count in the grand scheme of their overall agendas.

 

[darthtang aw]

If you can't read, then please dont comment. The discussion is not about abortion. It is about a person that has an award named after them that promoted racist ideals as well as nazi style views towards race and gene selection.

 

[darthtang aw]

Post #6 had abortion written all over it which is how you led Seth off onto the current tangent which just snowballed from there.
Sanger was a product of her time and environment as mentioned. However, had eugenics been fully implemented back in the day then perhaps we wouldn't have a current admin. chalked full of prime examples for the eugenics argument.
Everybody knows those awards are just feel good tokens for back scratchers.
I commented on tolerance. I referenced an incident where a politician called a significant demographic dumb. At no point did i comment either way about abortion nor did i imply any of that with my posts. If the mention of planned parenthood conjures up an abortion discussion, then planned parenthood has an image problem.
Now. Back to Sanger and her quotes.
Who would support the requirement of a permit/license to have children? What would be the punishment for violating this.

 

[aggiealum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397431/who-said-the-following#post_3542344
If you can't read, then please dont comment. The discussion is not about abortion. It is about a person that has an award named after them that promoted racist ideals as well as nazi style views towards race and gene selection.
Brother. You can say that about half the retired politicians in Washington. What's next, a history of McCarthyism?

 

[aggiealum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397431/who-said-the-following#post_3542347
I commented on tolerance. I referenced an incident where a politician called a significant demographic dumb. At no point did i comment either way about abortion nor did i imply any of that with my posts. If the mention of planned parenthood conjures up an abortion discussion, then planned parenthood has an image problem.
Now. Back to Sanger and her quotes.
Who would support the requirement of a permit/license to have children? What would be the punishment for violating this.
Is this the type of stuff you think about between shaving off the hair of another dog? I've never seen someone with so many pessimistic and negative views on life. When's the last time you posted a positive, feel-good piece on this site?

As far as your hypothetical question on indirect birth control - go look at China for your answer.