Why is MH better?

nanosrcool

Member
Why are Metal Halides considered better for light hungry corals?
Why would a 250W (10K) MH be better than say for a 250W (10K) PC or a 250W VHO?
Would any lighting expert care to explan.
 

nanosrcool

Member
Well I did a search.... everyone seems to recommend Metal Halides. Watt for Watt PC and MH with the same color index... there's gotta be something extra that the MH produces that is beneficial to corals and clams.
 
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daniel411

Guest
It will penetrate deeper into an aquarium than pc or vho. I believe longterm electricity/bulb costs has a good difference between the three. Theres more to lighting than just how many watts, basically MH are really intense under a small area... I'm no expert so I won't try to go into much detail.
 
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daniel411

Guest
I use metal halides combined with vho on my 38g. Mainly for the shimmering effect, a ton of watts from a small source, and to penetrate all the way down.
 

nanosrcool

Member
Daniel,
I am thinking about going to MH but I hear they are very hot... I have PCs right now and have a fan blowing across the top to cool my tank.
I believe you said that metal halides have more intensity per watt than PCs. Can I compensate for it by adding more watts to my PCs?
 
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daniel411

Guest
I don't keep sps or clams, which is generally what people get into arguements about MH being a REQUIREMENT.
As far as light penetration intensity, no I don't think you can compensate for that by adding more watts. However with a 30 gallon tank, a sand bed, some live rock, you could have corals/clams needing alot of light placed higher up so that they'd still get alot of light.
I really don't have any problems with heat issues. My MH are around 7" or so above the tank. Theres a fan in the canopy under the glass with the bulb, so I really have no heat issues.
I too had just pc's till a lfs gave me a good deal on a mh/vho canopy. I can say that the difference is remarkable in coral growth, shimmer on walls, and being able to see EVERY thing in the tank is extraordinary. But I had way less wattage than I do now, which assuredly is a major factor.
 

nanosrcool

Member
Daniel,
Thanks for your help. I have read a lot of posts from people who reported good coral growth with MHs as you mentioned. My LFS quoted me $500 for a Custom SeaLife 250MH canopy with 2 actinics. I would probably need a chiller as it gets hot here in Phoenix.
I am trying to find other options also and looking for the answer to the elusive secret ingredient of Metal Halides..... :)
 

nanosrcool

Member
ReefNut,
If that's the case then I should be able to add more watts to PC or VHO to compensate (unless the ratio is like 100/1 or 1000/1)
True?
 

a&m aggie 04'

Active Member
MH penetration is far greater than that of PC or VHO. I dont believe you can compenstate for that with any VHO or PC lighting.
even if you have 10 VHO's and PC bulbs it wont give off the intensity as an MH bulb. You'll have far more watts, but not near the intensity in light.
HTH,
Mark
 

nanosrcool

Member
Wow,
I am surprised the difference is that high. I read somewhere that MHs produce UV... could that be a factor as well?
 

jpawson

Member
Just a thouhgt.......Make sure you understand the costs associated with a chiller. I just installed MH's this weekend and I love them. I did a lot of research on this message board and seem to remember many people from your area needing a chiller while running MH's. These things get hot!
 

nanosrcool

Member
Thanks for your comments... exactly my thoughts...
Temps outside is still above hundred.. inside we keep around 82/83... I can pull down the temps to 78/79 with a fan running across the top, but doubt that it will work when I have Metal Halides...
 

dburr

Active Member
They are no hotter than NO's or VHO bulbs. They are just heat consentrated in one area. I do mean that watt for watt.
 

spsfreak100

Active Member
Why are metal halides more intense that flourecent lighting? Halides have much more Photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) and intensity than flourecent lighting does. Lighting is measures in ways greater than watts. So, as an example, lets say you have 300wts of Power compacts on a 100 gallon tank, and 300wts of metal halides on another tank. The halides have much more intensity and photosynthetically active radiation than the Power compacts do. This is why 300wts of Power compacts doesn't compare to 300wts of halides.
Watt for watt, halides emit the same amount of heat as flourecent lighting does. As dburr stated, the only source of lighting from the halides come from a very small surface area. Since the heat is consentrated into such a small area, it releases more heat around that area. Unlike halides, the flourecent lighting source and heat is released through the whole bulb rather than in a small area.
Watt for watt, halides have the same evaporation rate as flourecent lighting. Watt for watt, they also cost the same to run.
Halides, in my opinion, are much more efficiant than Power compacts, VHO's, and even T-5 lighting. Halides only need to be replaced every 12-14 months (with the exception of a few 20,000k Bulbs that are overdrived by a PFO HQI ballast).
I have 2x 400wt 10,000k Ushio's (on PFO HQI), along with 2x 65wt Actinic Power compacts over my 80 gallon tank. Do I run a chiller? No. I have two simple 4" Icecap fans and an "open back" canopy. I've never had any heat problems, so far, while running the halides. The temperature usually stays around 83-85 degrees F.
Take Care,
Graham
 

reefnut

Active Member
VHO/PC and MH are in two different categories. No matter how many watts of VHOs or PC you have you will not get the glimmer effect MH have. MHs simply put off a more intense light. If you’re really interested do a search for "How Light Bulbs Work" and you will find the real difference.
 
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