Why You Shouldnt Use Tap Water (Part 2)

soulsigma

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So what about Reverse Osmosis (RO)?
Reverse osmosis is basically when water is passed under pressure through a series of prefilters, to remove particles and chlorine, and finally a membrane designed to allow water molecules through but trap everything else present. An RO unit on average, will remove 92 - 97% of the dissolved solids that your water contains. To remove the remaining dissolved solids, most quality RO units will have a DI (De-Ionization) pod at the end. This will then, as previously mentioned, give you pure water for mixing your chosen salt with. The DI filter is capable of polishing 100% of the dissolved solids out of your water on its own, but it's costly, hence the reason a mixture of filters are used.
How do we measure the quality of our water?
To monitor the quality of our water we use a TDS (total dissolved solids) meter. TDS meters measure the amount of organic or in-organic substances that are present in water. The higher the TDS reading you get, the more unwanted properties your water contains.
There are 2 main types of TDS meters that are used by marine keepers, 'hand held' and 'in-line', both are very affordable costing about $15 - $25. The in-line meters are preferable if you have your own RO unit. These meters normally have a before and after reading, meaning you can see what the TDS is of your water before the filtration process and the end result allowing you to replenish your DI resin in plenty of time, and check your membrane is working ok.
Hand held meters can be used when you're buying your RO water from your local fish shop, or producing your own.
How much will it cost me to produce my own RO water?
The most cost effective way to use RO water is to buy your own unit. For example a 50gpd (gallon per day) four stage RO unit with the added DI resin pod should cost under $100.00
Most LFS will sell RO water as well, but the quality of the water will vary from shop to shop, most LFS wont filter the water through a DI unit meaning the water will more than likely be of a lesser quality than if you owned your own unit. Buying RO water from your LFS, is not really cost effective either, costs average between $2 - $4 for 10 gallons. So you can see after a year of buying water from your LFS, you will have probably spent more money than if you were to buy your own RO unit, for water that's of a poorer quality.
There are running costs to a RO unit, the prefilters which protect the membrane have to be changed at regular intervals, recommended every 6 months dependant on use. But these very occasional costs still add up to being much cheaper than buying your water. It isn't easy to work out exactly how much say 10 gallons would cost, there is just so many factors involved, but one major manufacturer (RO-MAN) says that working off some standards that have had to be set, it works out about .39 per 1 lgallon of RO.
Would it not be cheaper to just use tap water???
At this stage is may appear that tap water is the cheaper option over buying or producing your own RO water, but in the long run this will not be the case. To counter-act the poor quality water being used, more equipment will likely be needed to reverse the effects of your tap water, such as a phosphate reactor. Add to that the monthly if not fortnightly renewal costs of the phosphate removal media, and the fact you will need certain additives to balance your water parameters it is not a cheap option. In the long run, RO water is cheaper, and the better option for your tanks inhabitants.
A picture of the same sand bed after switching to RO water for 7 months and adding some phosphate remover

 

oneradtek

Active Member
i agree and i used to be absolutely against RODI and i used to think it was stupid. But with all my corals in my tank, and all my nutrients, i don't need the added phosphate that comes in tap water, even though small. only 175$ and i can have no worries 24-7
ON THE CON SIDE, while it takes out all my po4, it also takes out my calcium and alk, and so that means i have to dose every night to keep my ca-alk levels up to par.
 

truperc

Member

Originally Posted by soulsigma
http:///forum/post/3059900
So what about Reverse Osmosis (RO)?
Would it not be cheaper to just use tap water???
At this stage is may appear that tap water is the cheaper option over buying or producing your own RO water, but in the long run this will not be the case. To counter-act the poor quality water being used, more equipment will likely be needed to reverse the effects of your tap water, such as a phosphate reactor. Add to that the monthly if not fortnightly renewal costs of the phosphate removal media
, and the fact you will need certain additives to balance your water parameters it is not a cheap option. In the long run, RO water is cheaper, and the better option for your tanks inhabitants.
A picture of the same sand bed after switching to RO water for 7 months and adding some phosphate remover

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fishkid13

Active Member
"One of the best and smartest buys.."
Don't have one and tank is still amazing. Plus what happened the tank, protein skimmer, and lights being the best and smartest???
 

jp30338

Member
RO/DI systems are NOT the miracle product they are made out to be. Proper maintenence and water changes are a MUST in order to maintain ideal water params and a sucessful, healthy tank.
I would like the OP to PROVE that the pictures in part 1 to part 2 are a direct result of tap to ro/di water.
The majority of posts on this site are related to some kind of algae problem or fish/inverts/coral not doing well yet the majority of these people do use ro/di. Makes ya wonderwhat the true benefits of using ro/di ater truly are, unless your water quality is trulybad where you have lived and can back it up with concrete evidence instead of basing ones conclusion on what other people say.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Rather be safe than sorry
" June 9, 2009
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has sued Crestwood and three current and former village officials for failing to provide safe drinking water for the village.
Madigan's lawsuit alleges Crestwood, former Mayor Chester Stranczek, Mayor Robert Stranczek and Frank Scaccia, who is the former certified operator of Crestwood Water Supply, continued to use a well contaminated with volatile organic chemicals to supplement the village's drinking water supply, which came primarily from Lake Michigan. She also is suing the officials for allegedly covering up the use of the contaminated well by falsely assuring residents and the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency that Crestwood was not using the contaminated well. "

http://www.southtownstar.com/news/16...l-0609.article
 

jp30338

Member

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3061005
Rather be safe than sorry
" June 9, 2009
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has sued Crestwood and three current and former village officials for failing to provide safe drinking water for the village.
Madigan's lawsuit alleges Crestwood, former Mayor Chester Stranczek, Mayor Robert Stranczek and Frank Scaccia, who is the former certified operator of Crestwood Water Supply, continued to use a well contaminated with volatile organic chemicals to supplement the village's drinking water supply, which came primarily from Lake Michigan. She also is suing the officials for allegedly covering up the use of the contaminated well by falsely assuring residents and the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency that Crestwood was not using the contaminated well. "

http://www.southtownstar.com/news/16...l-0609.article
This is WELL water, not tap water, there is a big difference.
LOL, a village???
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/3061014
This is WELL water, not tap water, there is a big difference.
LOL, a village???
DERRRR! All municipality water comes out of wells, lakes and rivers.Crestwood is a suburb of Chicago dont let the Village tag fool you into thinking its some back woods place .
Did you think there was a magical tap somewhere that produced water?lol
 

superhero

Member
Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/3061014
This is WELL water, not tap water, there is a big difference.
LOL, a village???
come on now dont be hatin on well water... i live in mt prospect a northwest suburb of chicago and my little private cauldasack has well water and i have never had any problems using it for almost 5 years now
 

truperc

Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3061034
DERRRR! All municipality water comes out of wells, lakes and rivers.

I am going to hope that is a joke, and you do actually recognize there is a big difference between well water and municipality water.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by TruPerc
http:///forum/post/3061040
I am going to hope that is a joke, and you do actually recognize there is a big difference between well water and municipality water.
Let me just say this, I used to build water towers and water treatment facilitys for a living.Almost every facility and tower i built was supplied from wells. All tap water is ,is chlorinated well water in most cases.If the water has high content of iron in it it may go through a potassium permaganate filter but t hats about it.So no im not joking.
Most Municipality water is well water.
 

aquaguy24

Active Member
Originally Posted by fishkid13
http:///forum/post/3060934
"One of the best and smartest buys.."
Don't have one and tank is still amazing. Plus what happened the tank, protein skimmer, and lights being the best and smartest???
That's why I said it's ONE of the best and smartest buys. Lots of ppl don't have skimmers some don't even change their water for a whole year and have thriving reefs.
 

truperc

Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3061045
Let me just say this, I used to build water towers and water treatment facilitys for a living.Almost every facility and tower i built was supplied from wells. All tap water is ,is chlorinated well water in most cases.If the water has high content of iron in it it may go through a potassium permaganate filter but t hats about it.So no im not joking.
Most Municipality water is well water.
Guess it just depends on where you live.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by TruPerc
http:///forum/post/3061058
Guess it just depends on where you live.
I guess...thats a pretty fancy facility,but ive never seen anything other than what i said above.Water is pumped out of the ground,injected with chlorine gas and pumped up into water tower then feed to water main as needed via gravity.
 

superhero

Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3061065
I guess...thats a pretty fancy facility,but ive never seen anything other than what i said above.Water is pumped out of the ground,injected with chlorine gas and pumped up into water tower then feed to water main as needed via gravity.
around the chicagoland area all of the city water comes from lake michigan
and am guessing the h20 takes the path of TruPers pic..
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by Superhero
http:///forum/post/3061069
around the chicagoland area all of the city water comes from lake michigan
and am guessing the h20 takes the path of TruPers pic..

I get Lake Michigan water because the town i live in pays for it,but not all the towns ,and cities around Chicago have Lake Michigan water.BTW it does register TDS and i do use RO/DI .
Listen im not saying Lake,River,Well water is bad im just saying
why chance it when it can be avoided with a relatively cheap peace of equipment.Water supply do become contaminated from time to time.Most pipe is made of copper and so on and on......RO/DI is well worth the investment IMHO.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
For the record:
"
Chicago water officials expressed concern over the pollution of Lake Michigan drinking water.They said they're testing it for the presence of pharmaceutical drugs and other unregulated chemicals.
The announcement Thursday came on the heels of a Chicago Tribune report that found trace amounts of prescription drugs and other chemicals in local drinking water, the newspaper reported.
The Tribune, which hired an independent lab to test tap water, found very small amounts of a prescription anti-seizure drug, a common painkiller, a nicotine byproduct, caffeine and two chemicals used to make Teflon and Scotchgard."

http://www.huliq.com/57260/lake-mich...ct-examination
 

fishtaco

Active Member
Been using my well water for both my fish and myself and it has not Hu........Hur.......Hurt.....me yet. I would use RO water if I thought it was an issue and my guess is that it is in a lot of places, but don't think a blanket statement is correct. I would though if using well water at least have it tested to be safe. My water is so pure it is boring.
 

woody189

Member
Originally Posted by TruPerc
http:///forum/post/3061058
Guess it just depends on where you live.
I'm confused, doesn't that pic show that the water comes from a lake, which is what VVV said in the 1st place?? That most municpal water comes from wells, lakes or rivers.
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici

http:///forum/post/3061079
I get Lake Michigan water because the town i live in pays for it,but not all the towns ,and cities around Chicago have Lake Michigan water.BTW it does register TDS and i do use RO/DI .
Listen im not saying Lake,River,Well water is bad im just saying
why chance it when it can be avoided with a relatively cheap peace of equipment.Water supply do become contaminated from time to time.Most pipe is made of copper and so on and on......RO/DI is well worth the investment IMHO.
IDK about the whole well, lake, river fiasco, but I agree. IDK where my water comes from, but I know it's not tank worthy.
IDK about where you live, but here in Jersey there's times every couple years when they tell you on the news that you can't drink the tap water. YOu have to boil it first. Imagine what that would do to your tank if you did a water change.
And it's a relatively cheap piece of equipment, and from my understanding, if your water is already clean, then you have to replace the filter MUCH less often.
 
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