will this live?

reefrunner

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I have a hammer coral that has been doing very well for about 4-5 months in my tank. A few weeks ago, I noticed that the entire group of polyps on one of the branches looked like it was coming un-attached. The next day, it was completely separated from the skeleton, and laying on the bottom of the tank. I didn't remove it because it still seemed to be alive. It's been about two weeks now, and it is still at the bottom of the tank, just laying on the sand. It still looks alive...has good color, and still polyps out when the lights are on.
Is this normal? Will this thing just begin to grow a new skeleton? Is this like "self propagation"?
Anyone seen anything like this before?
 

mx#28

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Originally Posted by reefrunner
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I have a hammer coral that has been doing very well for about 4-5 months in my tank. A few weeks ago, I noticed that the entire group of polyps on one of the branches looked like it was coming un-attached. The next day, it was completely separated from the skeleton, and laying on the bottom of the tank. I didn't remove it because it still seemed to be alive. It's been about two weeks now, and it is still at the bottom of the tank, just laying on the sand. It still looks alive...has good color, and still polyps out when the lights are on.
Is this normal? Will this thing just begin to grow a new skeleton? Is this like "self propagation"?
Anyone seen anything like this before?


Yes, it's called polyp bail-out. There are a few reasons this can happen, but it's usually associated with stress like photoshock, water quality, etc. I've also heard a few theories related to a lack of trace elements like strontium and iron, but don't know of their accuracy.
If the conditions improve for the coral, it is certainly possibly for them to recalcify, but they are vulnerable without their skeleton.
I lost a beautiful torch coral this way when I was on vacation and the halides got left on for 18 hours one day.
 

steelgluer

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A copy and paste
The ability of corals to voluntarily decalcify and/or release from their skeleton is very interesting. It is also a very topical matter, IMO. Here is what we have in fact:
Fungia and some other fungiids can decalcify part of the skeleton in the formation of anthocauli
Most corals (soft and stony), if locally covered long term in deposited material or mechanical obstruction, can " divide" their colony, not simply grow over/around it.
Polyp expulsion can occur in the corals Favia fragum and Oculina patagonica where the polyp and its corallite are released in whole to drift and settle, negatvely buoyed by skeletal material.
Polyp bail out occurs in Pocilloporidae. Here, the polyp only is released from from its corallite. Two small filaments are found at the base of the polyp that are like "quick attachment" anchors.
Stony corals, regularly release small areas of their tissue, lifiting it upward in the calcification process, before skeletogenesis. These areas, first described i 1972 by Barnes, are called lappets, and are usually formed during dicrete periods of the day.
Oulophyllia cripa is reported to voluntarily bail out of its skeleton - a Favidae member.
Thus, it becomes obvious that these guys are, if not directly shown yet, capable to some minimal to highly significant amount of voluntary tissue or skeletal release. From the list above, we see that it is frequently in response to stress, except for the calcification release. Also occurs in quite diverse species. In the non-stress case (calcification), by using blockers of CA (carbonic anhydrase), the lappet formation is stopped. There has also been a work that shows that during such times, microorganisms can enter the skeletal/tissue gap and participate in necrosis/further tissue degeneration. I find this particularly interesting...more in a sec.
Here are anecdotes and suppositions:
Several corals, including Trachyphyllia and Catalaphyllia have been reported numerous times in the hobby to release from theoir skeleton. I have witnessed a "drifting" Catalaphyllia before. While, to my knowledge, they have never been actually documented and/or studied, it is hard to debate the credibility of the observations, nor is it hard to imagine that it is entirely likely. The pocilloporid bails and the decalcification of Fungia are the best studied (Hidaka and Yamazato for Fungia, if I recall correctly), but to my knowledge, no exact mechanism is yet known, although some are suggested. Once again, CA activity seems to be the common thread here.
I have seen many cases of "RTN" in our work with this "disease" where polyps are fully expanded and in feeding mode mere mm's away from the tissue release band. This is not the rule, but it does happen. I know this coral is about to die from sloughing, and yet the coral seems to be acting normally. Is tissue sloughing somehow related to this behavior/ability gone awry? Or are invading microorganisms also involved as in the aforementioned work? I don't know, but again, it is certainly not that much of a stretch to see the possibilities.
Julian Sprung showed some remarkable photos of various asexual buds at the conference in Dallas. These were obviously valid and highly significant findings, but are not "officially reported" - IMO, they should be! For a lot of "buds" gravity tends to sever the attachment of daughter from parent. However, this process, for many corals, seems to be "helped along," and brief suggestions of this have been made in various papers, although none, to my knowledge, have directly addressed this issue. Certainly some of the photos Julian showed (e.g. the Cynarina, in particular) seem to depend on "parental help." The buds on this colony formed from the margins of the septa, if I recall, and if water currents and gravity were the only factors, it seems as though the buds would/could fall directly onto the coral disk of the coral. Perhaps more interesting is that both Catalaphyllia and Trachyphyllia are corals which (not coincidentally?) are attached when juveniles, releasing as they grow...has always been thought that this was a gravity thing...but is it??? Another coinkeedent-they commonly form buds!
Some older papers that are not directly related to corals, but are to cnidaria, suggest that Magnesium is important in basal ahesion of certain anemones. Some mention has been made in older calcification papers, but never continued in relation to my thoughts here, to my knowledge, that at least some corals may form a high magnesium calcite initially, before converting to aragonite in skeletogenesis. This is, IMO, a stretch, but you can see the relationship/direction I am hypothesizing.
Here is a candy cane of mine that did the same thing as you can see I got it to finally attach to a oyster shell and it been that way for 2 months now coming back to life. As you can see in the background there is another im taking care of doing very well so far.
 

steelgluer

Member
So, your questions:
Is it rare: Yes, pretty rare, but not at all unheard of, and I think it is apparent that this is probably a response to stress of some sort...possibly diverse stresses, possible specific reasons, that, to my knowledge, are yet unknown.
Does it happen in nature? Obviously reported for some corals, but, to my knowledge, not reported in nature for Trachyphyllia/Catalaphyllia...probably becuase it has not been looked for, IMO?
Whats the possibility for recovery? Pretty good...if conditions are good, they can begine calcifying a new corallite. OTOH, they have lost integrity and are susceptble to attack/lack of skeletal negative bouyancy and protection. Obviously, this is a coral at risk, but under ideal conditions I think it should be recoverable.
What can be done to help? Provide food, light, calcium, and carbonate and high water quality.
 

reefrunner

Member
Thanks.... very informative. I think what I'll do with this one is to scoop it up, and put it in a separate, small container with a small piece of rubble for it to hopefully attach to.
I'm still not sure why this coral would've done this all of a sudden. The only thing I can think of would be my nitrates. I've been battling those levels for a month or so. Other than that, all my parameters are very good.
 
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