Yet another Clown-keeper99 stocking list

[clown-keeper99]

As above this is the stocking list for my 55 gal. aquarium:
x1 Flame Angel
x1 Yellowtail Damsel
x1 False perc. Clown
x1 Tribal Blenny
x1 Longnose hawkfish
x1 sixline wrasse
x1 (possably) neon goby
x1 sebea anemone (for clown)
x1 arrow crab
x25 assorted hermits
x5 emerald crabs
x1 cleaner shrimp
x5 pepermint shrimp
x2 (mated pair) coral banded shrimp
x5 turbo snails
x20 astrea snails
x1 brittle star
x1 serpent star
+-5 Tridacna clams
+-20 various soft corals (mostly mushrooms)
My main questions:
are there to many fish?
will the clown host in the anemone?
will the shrimp fight (I have heard that the coral banded shrimp can be aggressive)?
how many clams can I keep in my tank?

 

[anti]

I have had issues with Flames picking at corals..
I would skip the coral banded shrimps, they can be quite mean!

 

[1guydude]

scratch the damsel and scratch the cbs
damsel=devil or so i hear
cbs are territorial animals, i own one and hes been ok...just ok
Im not fond of the arrows either ive never owned one but i think they arent nice either...
I think the 5 emeralds and the 5 pepps will be plenty...maybe add a skunk shrimp or fire shrimp..maybe 2 of one kind..imo
Idk about the clam situation but i know anemones and clams need great lighting and established tanks!

 

[kiefers]

thats quite the wish list there....
I wouldn't go with the coral bandit with your load, as said above they are very aggressive and territorial, things may come up missing. I guess one of the questions should be how old is your tank? got pic's?
IMO 7 fish should be your max.

 

[clown-keeper99]

The tank is 5 years old and was wiped out when I added red slime remover (never use that product, as it will kill everything)
most likely I will scratch the cbs for a fire shrimp
I have kept yellowtails and they are not as aggressive as people say
I have 324 watt florecent light (x6 54 watt bulbs, x3 actinic 460nm, x3 10,000k) which I think is enough light for the clams, corals, and anemone
Also can I quarintine in a 5 gal. bucket

 

[kiefers]

sounds like a plan my friend. Do you have any other aquariums laying around? The bucket thing is a little ....oh the words escape me today, not good. Might want to get a 10 gallon for the corals to QT in. just a thought. Dunno, it may work for ya tho, never thought about a bucket.

 

[btldreef]

Quote:
Originally Posted by clown-keeper99 http:///forum/thread/385836/yet-another-clown-keeper99-stocking-list#post_3385715
As above this is the stocking list for my 55 gal. aquarium:
x1 Flame Angel
x1 Yellowtail Damsel Skip this fish, they get mean and will attack your other fish. You'd be better suited adding a pair to your clownfish
x1 False perc. Clown
x1 Tribal Blenny
x1 Longnose hawkfish Skip if you plan on keeping shrimp.
x1 sixline wrasse Absolutely must be added last if you're going to have this fish be peaceful. I'd recommend a flasher or fairy wrasse over a SixLine.
x1 (possably) neon goby
x1 sebea anemone (for clown)
x1 arrow crab Skip, many eat corals. Most people who get these guys end up unhappy with them. They're carnivores, so they'll eat other meaty items that you want in your tank.
x25 assorted hermits I am not a fan of hermit crabs, they kill snails for sport. You'd be better served with more snails and less hermits.
x5 emerald crabs 3 is a better number for a 55
x1 cleaner shrimp I'm assuming you mean Skunk Cleaner Shrimp? Skip the Coral Banded, and get 2 Skunks
x5 pepermint shrimp
x2 (mated pair) coral banded shrimp They will KILL your cleaner and peppermint shrimps. I just had to get rid of a baby because he was attacking my lionfish. These guys are mean, DO NOT put them with other shrimp.
x5 turbo snails
x20 astrea snails
x1 brittle star
x1 serpent star
+-5 Tridacna clams What types? Do you know the requirements and how large each grows? I think 5 clams in a 55 is going to be a big stress on the Calcium levels and you'll be dosing A LOT, or having to add a calcium reactor.
+-20 various soft corals (mostly mushrooms) again, don't do the arrow crab then, he'll eat these guys.
My main questions:
are there to many fish? It's not so much that you have too many fish, you have fish that will not be peaceful with one another.
will the clown host in the anemone? Always a gamble, every fish and anemone is different. Some people have luck, others don't.
will the shrimp fight (I have heard that the coral banded shrimp can be aggressive)? Absolutely will happen.
how many clams can I keep in my tank? I would not keep more than 2. 3 absolute tops.
I'd do (and this can be played with, it's just for use as an idea):
2 Ocellaris Clownfish (which you're calling False Perculas)
1 Algae Blenny
1 Dwarf Angelfish (IMO and IME the Coral Beauty is safer than the Flame, especially since you want to do mainly soft corals)
1 Flasher or Fairy Wrasse such as a McCosker's
1 small goby such as a Green Banded
1 Neon Goby or similar smaller open water fish
1 Anemone for Clowns once tank is mature and stable (Sebea or BTA is your best bet)
15 Nassarius snails (I'm assuming this tank will have a sand substrate)
20 nerite snails
15 Trochus snails
15 Astrea snails
2 Skunk Cleaner Shrimp
5 peppermints
2 clams
assorted corals
Since you want the clams and the anemone, you'll have to provide good lighting. This could cause an issue for your soft corals, as it might be too much and could burn them.

 

[clown-keeper99]

My new suggestions:
x1 flame angel
x1 Yellowtail blue damsel
x1 false perc.clown
x1 tribal blenny
x1 bluespot jawfish
x1 potter's wrasse
all inverts stay the same except:
cut arrow crab
cut CBS
add flame shrimp

 

[btldreef]

My new suggestions:
x1 flame angel
x1 Yellowtail blue damsel I still don't recommend this fish.
x1 false perc.clown
x1 tribal blenny
x1 bluespot jawfish You'll probably never see him. They're shy and have a tendency to burrow in the backs of tanks.
x1 potter's wrasse Are you aware of the care requirements of these fish? They're EXTREMELY difficult to keep
all inverts stay the same except: still going with 5 clams?
cut arrow crab
cut CBS
add flame shrimp You're better off with a pair of one or the other. One Skunk and one Fire will probably fight. Your tank is not large enough for more than one species, other than keeping peppermints with a pair of Skunks.

 

[1guydude]

YA potters are hard to care for...I looked into em, including the potters angel....
5 clams does seem a LITTLE excessive, maybe start with one and see how it goes, than i would think one more in a 55gal...
+1 get two fire shrimp or two skunks....not all
Im guessing ur stuck on the flame angel. If it were my tank i would get a coral beauty and a school of 3 chromis....love my chromis they are the life of the tank...o and the 3 chromis would get rid of the devil tail i mean yellow tail...
blue spots are $$$$, they really hide a lot BTL??? If thats the case u could spend that money elsewhere is my opinion!

 

[btldreef]

I had to put my Blue Spot Jawfish in my 20g because I never saw him in the other tanks. Not to mention, they're burrowers. They are beautiful fish, but from experience, money is better spent elsewhere. Luckily, I only paid about $50 for mine, it's good to have connections, lol. Blue Spots also need to be fed mire than once a day, get stressed easily, etc... Waste of money...

 

[kiefers]

I saw your wish list and I know from experience that it sucks to have someone tell you "not a good idea" but she for the most part is right.
the wrasse will hide and starve to death, very slowly at that, not really fair to the critter or you spending the cash on it. Nice fish though.
Thats alot of slimage (snails) in your wish list, yuk, not a fan of snails at all. I do have hermits and for the most part I think their the best CUC yet as with my skunk shrimp and blood shrimp.
I do however have a crap load of stomatellas. A couple of the larger ones just had babies and they are so small. They are all over my glass and substrate. I counted 42 they other day.
Persoally, I would invest in copods, dump them in and just sit for a month. Let them take over for awhile. They are great little cleaners. I have them all over the freakin place!! Lol.....
Also, be careful getting 2 of the cleaners, they might pair up and literally kill other shrimp in your tank. Even the blood shrimp.
I would say look into the following.
1) Flame ( little) from Hawaii. Hardier
2) lemonpeel, If you do decide, add at the same time in the dark and leave lights off for a day. I did this with a pygmy angel and a lemonpeel and it worked out great. Also the yellow will really pop in your tank
3) Of coarse the clowns, miss mine
4)I have one skunk and 1 blood and they do fine together, Even eat together sometimes.
If your lookin for a blenny thats cool, don't know much about them yet but I think you may like the bicolor blennies. do you like color in your tank?
sorry bud, your tank and your dream, didn't mean to throw it out hte window.

 

[clown-keeper99]

I have kept a tribal blenny before and they are really cool fish (my favorite fish)
I ment possum wrasse not potters
I think I might try this
x1 flame angel
x1 lemon peel angel
x2 false perc clowns
x3 chromis

 

[clown-keeper99]

x1 tribal blenny

 

[btldreef]

I really, really don't suggest two dwarf angels in a 55G tank.

 

[1guydude]

CORAL BEAUTY just my input though man....ur tank, ur way

 

[kiefers]

Quote:
Originally Posted by clown-keeper99 http:///forum/thread/385836/yet-another-clown-keeper99-stocking-list#post_3386363
I have kept a tribal blenny before and they are really cool fish (my favorite fish)
I ment possum wrasse not potters
I think I might try this
x1 flame angel
x1 lemon peel angel
x2 false perc clowns
x3 chromis
I feel that I do owe you an apology tho, this is your tank and whatever you like you should get. Every fish, like people, are different. Sometimes you will have the luck with fish that no-one else has. I the had two Dwarfs in my 56 and they did great togther, even QT a different angel with it. (flame and lemonpeel) they actually became buds, eating off the same algea strip. Then took out the LP and put him into the 56 along side a pygmy angel (This is when my 56 was finished cycling and new). they got along nicely too. So with this said, in most cases you will have fighting and bickering with to dwarfs but I got lucky.
The possum wrasse is an awesome addition to your tank IMO, I had one and he was so cool (igor). my tank was the hippy colony. Lol.... your list is very similiar to the one s I had in mine.

 

[clown-keeper99]

Instead of the lemonpeel how about a flameback?

 

[kiefers]

Quote:
Originally Posted by clown-keeper99 http:///forum/thread/385836/yet-another-clown-keeper99-stocking-list#post_3386384
Instead of the lemonpeel how about a flameback?
if added at the same time and with the lights out in a new tank, should be fine. Keep in mind though, the littler the angel, the bigger the attitude. Keep an eye on them and be prepared to remove on just in case. You may have a little bickering in the begining but their establishing boundries. IMO

 

[btldreef]

So you want to put 2 dwarf angels, 2 clowns, a blenny, 3 chromis and a possum wrasse in a 55? IMO, that's too much. If you're set on doing the two dwarfs (which I do not recommend), skip the three chromis.
Again, ultimately it's your tank, but I know you've went through some issues in the past and I just don't want you to have issues again.