Your Opinion Please !!

If you owned a LFS and a customer that spends alot of money at your store bougth a 1800 gph pump for $129.00 just 3 months ago (still under warranty and stil have recept) wanted to exchange it because last night it started making loud noises, would you do it or make him have to buy a new one to send the broken one to the manufacturer!!!!!
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predator

Active Member
I'm lucky enough to be around two really good lfs. They would have let me walk with the new one and took what the manufacter sent back. And I do belive that most should. It's situations just like this one that has a certain lfs here about to close. Piss pour customer satisfaction. Ask Chevron Tang.
 

blondenaso1

Member
Most good retail store, not only the lfs, should do it that way. If they want to keep the business and keep a good reputation, then the would have replaced the pump that day and sent the broken one back to the manufacturer themselves. What do they have to loose, one less pump in stock for a week or so. Things like that may make you make a decision on what store to buy from next time you want to make a big purchase. Customer satisfaction should be #1 in every good business man's eyes.
 

teetee

Member
When you operate a business, your clients (good and reliable ones)are like gold.The customer always comes first. If you treat them as such, they will know it and will further encourage your business (not to mention refering you to friends and others etc.). That extra burden of legitimate returns to the lfs is the price of running a business. Although it may be tough, it does pay off in the long run. LFS businesses are quite competetive. An lfs should be weary of policies that would turn off someone who spends their hard earned money. And as we all know, much money can be spent in this hobby, and we are willing to spend it. An lfs who honours me as a good client will get my money!
 

blondenaso1

Member
Amen to that! Going back to the comment about the car dealership. When we are talking on that scale, no the dealership will not replace the car with the new one, but they will, like you said, probably provide you with a loaner, or drop you off wherever and pick you up when the car is done, and they will most likely have your car done that day. I used to buy car audio equipment from a place that if a speaker blew they would give you a new one that day and warrenty it out themselves, and you know what, I kept going to them. However, if they would have made me rip both speakers out of the doors, send them back myself, and be without tunes for a week, they probably would not have seen me again. In the long run I spent thousands with them. Same goes for lfs. They can swallow the $130 in a small gulp, and I can go to them next time I want to spend $5,000 on my next set up, and my frined I refered will go to them when he wants a new tanks, and his friend....so on. This is what is called a reputation and that is how you build one, by providing good, no hassle service to the "valued" customers.
Anyway, I think I made my point. Sorry for the length. I got wriled up!
 

fshhub

Active Member
i agree with anthem, nothing i purchase , i expect anyone to replace after that period of time, it is unreasonable on our part, like he said, chances are it either will be repaired, adn can't be resold, or they will find it was a problwem on our end, like a power suge, clogging, teh impeller or anything, a manufactureers warranty is a manufacturers warranty, not the dealerships, and customer satisfaction has nothing ot do wiht it, if it were a week or something, then it is an act of courtesy, but 3 months, if they did anything, even offering ot help with the processing, is more than they have to do by law, and should still be looked at as an act of courtesy, and chnces are that they have had ot deal wiht htis before, and know the manufacturer is gonna do something like replace parts, then the lfs is out alot of money, just b/c we want to be self centerd does not make them wrong, we have to be responsible and look at this fromt their point(not jsut our own desires), business is business and if they do this for you, it may be not so good for their business,
i have worked in customer service quite some time and know that too many people expect this from the retailers, and it is NOT their responsibility, and any effort they make, even giving you a phone number is more than is neccessary, i don't care if you spend 10's of thousands of dollars, it is not good business to throw out money, whihc is what they would do, if they gave you a new one, but maybe, like mentioned if they had a used one, they may let you borrow that, i myself would expect no more
like anthem said, look at cars, look at appliances, look at any industry, they almost never give out new as a retaler, but used loaners if they have them, never new replacements, in order for them to do this, then most would have to overcharge to start with, just to be able to cover their losses in cases like this, which would you prefer, the extra price or the ahssle of calling the manufacterer and them shipping yu the part??9i have beeen successful in getting over nited parts in some cases to cover warranty issues, i do know that this is an instance where overnite is not good enough, if you do not have a contingency, but this is why we need contingencies
so NO i would not personally replace it, not unless you were overpaying to start with, just to cover my losses, and most of us here know my felings on lfs's, but i have to side with them here, sorry
 
Good comments but IMO
(since I am the consumer)
I think it is a bunch of CRAP
You can see by the list of the equipment on my posts that I should be considered a valueble customer!! I am not asking to get my money back just think it is terrible customer service. It would be different if it was not an essentual part that the reef tank can not do with out!!
and the real kicker for me is they told me that the little extra money I pay to buy there rather then of the internet is worth it for the customer service they give (just in case I would have a problem)
and for those who say "it is a 3 month old used pump"
I JUST PAID $40.00 A MONTH TO SERCULATE WATER IN MY REEF TANK!!!!!
If you sell a product in your store you should stand behind it!!!
NOT HAPPY!!!!!!!!
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blondenaso1

Member
fshhub, you say you are in customer service, and by your comments I can probably guess that it is probably in a big retail store like Best Buy or Circuit City. Most large corperations could give a carp about the consumer. This is mainly because there customer base is so large that they could care less if a couple customers are unsatisfied with their service. When dealing with a limited customer base, like your lfs (depending on its size), then reputation is of course a more important priority. My father has owned his retail store for many years and I have seen the way he does business, which is sadly to say not like other business owner. If presented with a similar situation and the customer was unsatisfied, he would have replaced the product, usually with no questions asked. He might even swallow all of losses. Over the years he has created a unsurapassable reputation which has allowed him to perpetuate his business while other stores in the same area have failed. I know everyone has their own opinion, but that is just the way I was raised. "The customer is always right"....most of the time.
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bigeyedfish

Member
Didnt anyone watch "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"? The customer is always right, well most of the time. In this case though i think I'd have to side with the LFS. They can facilitate getting a new pump, but arent obligated to give you a replacement. If it were ***** or Petsmart thats one thing, but your mom and pop LFS cant afford to take a hit like that. They've gotta be able to make a buck to stay afloat. Just my opinion dont take it personally, i hope they do help you out though CO Reef.
 

hunterdaddy

Member
LOL this is nuts. If you buy something it has a waranty. If it is still under waranty it will be replaced or fixed free of charge. Any company with a product will be GLAD to give you a new pump right out of the box if the last one you bought crapped the bed in three months. It dosent matter what you are selling. Fish supplys, cars, shoes, widgets. DOSENT MATTER. Coustomer service is king in retail. Think different?? open a store and not take back faulty equipment or even something someone bought which is the wrong size or power output or color. You wont be in business long. GAURNTEED.
 
Anthem,
I agree to disagree with you. I am glad not every LFS store, car delearship or electronic store has sucky customer service. I am glad not every store does only what they are legally obligated to do!!
You say that a car dealer will not give you another car. Well I agree to disagree AGAIN!!
I am not a customer who bitches all the time though this thread is going to seem like it.
We (my wife and I) purchased a 2002 ford explorer in december. The day after we bought it the dome light, remote locks, door locks, and command center would not work!!
Took 3 days to fix (alarm problems) and yes we got a loaner!!
After 1 month and 1000 miles the car would not start!!!
Took 3 days to fix (fuel chip replced) and yes we got a loaner!!
After 3 months and 3000 miles - March 7th - the car would not start (computer problems) still not fixed!!!(yes we got a loaner)
My wife is very busy w/business she talked to them about her traveling across the state on a normal basis and how she has completly lost confidence in the car.
They said "lemon law" only applies if the problem is the same thing three times BUT,
Ford is now going to take the car back in trade for what we purchased it for as long as we buy another car from them!!!
And I believe this for 1 reason is I am a "valueble customer" to them I have bought 4 cars there! and they believe in cutomer service They are doing more then what they are "obligated to do"
so I am glad you dont own that dealership!!!!
so thumbs up for ford thumbs down for my LFS!!!
:)
 
Good conversation!!!
By the way I have owned 3 ford explorers, have not had major problems until this one.
The last one had 139,000 the only thing I replaced (Besides normal maintenance) was a water pump!!! 1995 ford exp limited should have kept it.
anyway I am done complaining I will shop at the other LFS that has not proved themselves usless for customer satisfaction!!! :) :)
 

blondenaso1

Member
Colorado, I agree to agree with you! LOL :) As for Anthem, I am courious to know what type of business you are in. I however do agree with you too, we as the consumer are not "entitled" to have the pump replaced. However, it is retailers who go above and beyond what is entitled to the customer who keep good business. I can tell you that if you were the owner of my lfs or any other store for that matter and you gave me this much hassle about returning a pump or whatever, I would NEVER buy from you again, not even fish flakes, and probably spread the word to all of your customers that you do bad business. I mean who knows, the reason you might be giving me such a hard time maybe because the product was used in the first place. All I am saying is that by trying to save a few dollars you are loosing my business and that is what hurts in the long run. Most "Ma and Pa" lfs owners would replace the pump because they do value the customers. It is the large corperationsthat could give two craps. If you want to talk morals, what is the moral thing to do? We all know that morality and legality are two completely different issues. Just because the law (warrenty)allows you as a retailer to say "it's not my problem. Take it up with the manufacturer" doesn't mean that is the right thing to do. It is also up to the retailer to decide what products he wants to sell, because lets face it, despite the fact that he didn't make the product himself, the product still reflects on the quality of the business. If the lfs is selling pumps that are breaking in 3 months time then maybe the owner should rethink what pump to carry and refer to customers. This is all "good business" and its not something you learn in a college marketing class that teaches you how to "manipulate" the customer. Cut-throat business owners do make money, but they are jerks, and you know what, in the end it will all catch up with them.
Just my 2 cents...or I think that may be about 4
 

drkegel

Member
I just couldn't resist.
Personally, I'll never own any Ford product. And I have very good reasons and plenty of personal experience with very poor customer relations at Ford. Not to mention lots of problems. I don't like to argue with people about warranty work being free. When they say 100,000 miles and want to charge me for work after only 60,000, that's just plain wrong.
I have found one car company that has replaced parts free of charge, even well after the warranty period, paid for hotel, food, rental car every cost incurred when the one break-down I've had in my life happened. And I didn't even have all the receipts! Chrysler has always treated me very well, and will continue to receive my business as long as they treat me as such.
I'm sure there are people out there with different experiences than my own, and Ford doesn't sell a lot of cars because no one likes them. Just my experience.
How does this relate to LFS and this hobby? Well, it all boils down to this: How do you FEEL the LFS or any other store you go to, treats you. If you THINK it unfair, you probably won't go back there. If you THINK it fair, you probably will go back there.
If it were me, I'd at least communicate with the LFS, especially if I had been going there for a long period of time. Tell them how you see the situation, and hear them out.
There is always more than one way to look at a problem. Your way is not always the right way, even if you are the customer. There are more people involved in this situation that all need to be treated equally and fairly. Everyone involved at one point in time, spent money to make/buy the product.
It seems to me from reading this post, that a lot of common courteousy, understanding and respect is missing in this world. I don't think the LFS is trying to "screw" (pun intended) you.
 

blondenaso1

Member
While we are on the subject, I happen to own a '98 Ford Mustang with around 41,000 miles on it. Only one small problem that the dealership fixed no problem, and I pump enough nitrous through it to make most engines call it quits. It also helps that the dealership own is my neighbor and a family friend ;) .
And you know what, he's right, there is a lot of respect and common curtousy missing from the world today. If people would focus more on that then making a filthy buck then I think we would all be better off.
 
Yes they are NOT legaly intitled to replace my pump but.........
It is not elegal to tell anybody I want that I think there store owner has no good customer service skills, so I will tell anybody and everybody I can that they will not take care of you if you have a problem!!!!!
It would be different if he offered a discount on a new pump or a rental or something - anything besides "do you want to buy another pump to get you by until that one is fixed"
I was also there to pick up 4 new 10k M/H bulbs and didn't because of this issue.
Lost my business but I know it doesn't matter he has plenty of customers!!! :)
 

angief

Member
Wow, My head hurts. I think the situation here in England is pretty much the same as in America. The LFS that I use are brilliant and as a club member I get great deals but i doubt very much if they would swap me a used oump for a new one but I do know that they would loan me one until the other was fixed.
Most other places would tell me to naff off and buy another one.......
 
HMMM
I have not slandered any business nor would I.
I would just state the FACTS and probably 1/2 would agree with me and 1/2 would agree with the store!!
I really am over this whole thing. I can see his side but still think it was piss pore judgement and therfore I will take my business elswhere!!!
And all of us know that I can say what I want about a store or product. If I cant then ANTHEM better get a lawer for talking about fords and rio"S!!!!!
 
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