How can the forum be better?

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Hi all,

I put this thread in this section of the forum so it will get noticed.

To all the new comers, new hobbyists and experienced hobbyists on here:

How can the forum be better? The question has to be asked. It must be addressed. I see other forums that are a hundred times more active than this one and ask.. what makes this forum inactive? Why is the forum not as active as it was seven or eight years ago? Why is this forum inactive while there are many forums that are thriving?

What can be done to draw attention? What are some issues that may need to be addressed? How can we make this forum a more attractive place for experienced hobbyists?
 

smfoister

Member
Marketing is a problem here. Saltwaterfish.com does not appear to value the forums, as you must scroll all the way down the page and happen to notice it on the left hand side in normal sized font, no tabbed graphics like the top of the page.

I only knew this place existed because I found it completely by accident 5-7 years ago and I just happened to remember the name when I decided to get back into the hobby.
 

pegasus

Well-Known Member
Marketing is a problem here. Saltwaterfish.com does not appear to value the forums, as you must scroll all the way down the page and happen to notice it on the left hand side in normal sized font, no tabbed graphics like the top of the page.

I only knew this place existed because I found it completely by accident 5-7 years ago and I just happened to remember the name when I decided to get back into the hobby.
I also found it by accident. When I first started the hobby, I was saving all the prospective sites in my favorites list. Saltwaterfish dot com was one of them. The answer to attracting more people is hard to come up with. Yes, a prominent link would help people notice it easier. I spent several years as a super moderator on Sapphire's help forum (motherboards, graphics cards, etc.), and I know how hard it is to retain knowledgeable troubleshooters. Life happens and people get too busy, or they just grow bored with it. I eventually dropped out of the scene as I was starting my life over after my wife passed away. I had three teenage kids to raise, and didn't know who I was half the time. Suddenly, the forum didn't seem so important. By the time a few years went by, I was dating, and getting ready for marriage. I fell way behind on the technology highway, so I didn't really have much to offer. I started a new hobby... saltwater fish. One thing that helped was that Sapphire directed it's international customers to the help forum. I don't know if that's happening here. As with other forums, you'll have the regulars, and then you'll have those that pop in every now and then. That's the nature of the beast.
 

seecrabrun

Active Member
It definitely is very hidden. I also find the software difficult to use, but once you learn it it has some nice perks others don't. Problem is, new people don't want to have to learn new software to get the same results as another forum with mite standard software.
 

Dflo

Member
I agree marketing. Only reason I found site was I googled something and this site was listed about 4 or 5 searches down
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
I found this site while researching something saltwater related a long time ago, back in 2007. I didn't know this forum existed until I was trying to find an off the wall subject and the topic came up and was a thread on this forum. Now days, if you do a search, you will find many other forums listed way before this one. I agree,... I think marketing is a big thing.

What about the rules?
 

trigger40

Well-Known Member
+1 to better marketing. i found this forum by chance. the rule about links is the only thing that bothers me. but the rule is understandable with SWF.com being a business.
 

seecrabrun

Active Member
Oh, and if they'd deal with the stupid spam problem!

I was a moderator for many years on a forum, not fish related, but we had a private forum all the reported threads went to where they could be seen, discussed, and dealt with. I don't know how this forum software is set up, but I know I've seen the moderation team mention they don't see reported posts.

We had a system as well that the first 10 posts for every new member had to be approved before it went public, that was our way of combating the spam posts.
 

smfoister

Member
I don't have a problem with the rules. However, this forum will always be 2nd to any forum that is not owned by a business. It's the same with any hobby. When I'm not tinkering with tanks I'm tinkering with cars and those forums are the same way. The #1 forum for the VW / Audi scene is vwvortex.com. It is not owned by a business selling cars or parts, it is moderated and created by people who have passion for the subject. That forum has lots of newbies, lots of transients, lots of TRAFFIC because of the sheer size of the community and google searches.

Other forums on the other hand are smaller but also have more people dedicated to the subject. A passer by, or someone new is going to find the big forum first. Then they will lose interest, OR they will get sick of the massive community and amount of a-holes and look for a smaller community, whereas they will find the small more dedicated community.

I think the point of your question is "How do we make this forum the forum that everyone goes to when they get sick of the massive "wal-mart" community?"

The answer is Saltwaterfish.com, they need to make it a priority and put it at the top.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
One thing that helped was that Sapphire directed it's international customers to the help forum. I don't know if that's happening here. As with other forums, you'll have the regulars, and then you'll have those that pop in every now and then. That's the nature of the beast.
This is an excellent point. Personally, I ended up at SWF in 2000 because I saw a SWF ad somewhere on the internet to contact them with hobby questions. I did, and they linked me to their forum! Actually....they even signed me up and gave me my username! (Yeah presumptuous as heck, but here I stay. LOL) A link to the forum on sales receipts, order forms, customer service correspondence, etc. would likely go a long way.

Also, when this new bulletin board came on with the switch of owners a few yrs ago, the forum actually had a tab at the top of their store homepage, but, for some reason was removed and demoted to an obscure location on their front page.
 
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beth

Administrator
Staff member
Other forums on the other hand are smaller but also have more people dedicated to the subject. A passer by, or someone new is going to find the big forum first. Then they will lose interest, OR they will get sick of the massive community and amount of a-holes and look for a smaller community, whereas they will find the small more dedicated community.

I think the point of your question is "How do we make this forum the forum that everyone goes to when they get sick of the massive "wal-mart" community?"

The answer is Saltwaterfish.com, they need to make it a priority and put it at the top.
Another on-target point. This is exactly what SWF used to be. The bit smaller (but still well-known) site that many hobbyists ended up at after getting tired of being looked down upon or treated like morons at the "high-end" sites where all the so-called advanced hobbyists and experts frequented.
 

pegasus

Well-Known Member
I don't have a problem with the rules. However, this forum will always be 2nd to any forum that is not owned by a business. It's the same with any hobby. When I'm not tinkering with tanks I'm tinkering with cars and those forums are the same way. The #1 forum for the VW / Audi scene is vwvortex.com. It is not owned by a business selling cars or parts, it is moderated and created by people who have passion for the subject. That forum has lots of newbies, lots of transients, lots of TRAFFIC because of the sheer size of the community and google searches.
I just googled Sapphiretech support, and on their main web page is a link for Support at the top of the page. Under "Customers", there's a menu for support tickets, contact numbers, and... you guessed it... the support forum. With an international team of volunteer moderators (Wales, Spain, France, Germany, and USA), we were able to reach a very large audience. As you mentioned about the site you moderated, Sapphire does not own the support team. We troubleshot problems, and if it were an equipment issue, we directed the clients to the appropriate site(s). Those that were knowledgeable were asked to moderate. And moderate we did. Any reported posts were quickly evaluated, and the posters were given the opportunity to participate peacefully, or get banned (temporarily or permanently) depending on our discretion. It was simply an environment where people could offer help to those in need of support. It's been a few years since I participated, but the forum is still going strong. I can't give the credit for the forum's success to those who moderate(d), but rather those that contributed. Large quantities of information can be overwhelming, but it also allows people to narrow issues down by noticing patterns. The answers that matched the most were typically the correct answers. As moderators, it was our job to sift through the mountains of information and to post the results in the "Stickies" section. Clients were initially directed to do a search in the Stickies section to see if the answer to their question(s) was already posted. When people opened the support site, the first line in the first section was in bold letters telling clients to "Read the Stickies before posting"! This way, the same question(s) didn't flood the board. Instead of having many individual posts on the same subject, all information was consolidated into one post. That post could have links to other problem areas, but it was a really good starting place. If the answer couldn't be found through searching, then the client was encouraged to post his/her/it's question, or in many cases, solutions to different issues.

The easiest and best way to get more community involvement is, as seems the general consensus, it higher visibility. If SWF wants people to support their business by providing information via a support forum, then they need to share a little of the spotlight. Instead of "Contact Us", why not "Support"? Click Support, and then choose Contact Us, or Support Forum. Put a prominent link at the top of the page, and people will notice. The forum isn't even mentioned on the Contact Us page. It makes a big difference if the company supports and promotes the forum by making it highly visible, or placing a forum link at the bottom of the page. Just saying...
 

seecrabrun

Active Member
Yes the forum I moderated on was not for profit and it was all volunteer staff of moderators.

The forum could be better run and better advertised.
 

beaslbob

Well-Known Member
Hi all,

I put this thread in this section of the forum so it will get noticed.

To all the new comers, new hobbyists and experienced hobbyists on here:

How can the forum be better? The question has to be asked. It must be addressed. I see other forums that are a hundred times more active than this one and ask.. what makes this forum inactive? Why is the forum not as active as it was seven or eight years ago? Why is this forum inactive while there are many forums that are thriving?

What can be done to draw attention? What are some issues that may need to be addressed? How can we make this forum a more attractive place for experienced hobbyists?
hey

With you and I here what more is needed?


my .02
 

Bryce E

Active Member
Oh really? I'm on android. Its pretty much all I use to access the site. An app that would keep me logged in and send notifications would be cool. I have an iPad so I'll look for the Apple app.
 
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