1 tomato clown..... would like to add more, is it possible?

[msd2]

So here is my dilema, I have one tomato clown, and two rather large anemone's. One carpet and one long tenticle. Anyway all was fine until 1 of the 3 tomato clowns got sick and passed away suddenly. The two fought like cats and dogs. So after removing the bigger of the two I am left with one. I would love to add a few tank rasied perc's to the tank. I will attach a pic of how things are setup in the tank. The only other fish is a purple tang. I will eventually add a few more fish but not many since I mainly want to keep this a reef. So my questions are:
1. can I add perc's
2. if so/or possible how many and what size should they be?
3. woudl another clown be more advisable?
Btw the tomato only stays in the long tenticle, never ever goes to the carpet.

 

[msd2]

You can see the two anemones on opposite sides of the tank about 3 feet apart. the tank is 3feet long and 2 feet tall to give u some size idea.

 

[sebae0]

imo if you add the percs your gonna have another fight with the tomato prob winning, they are alot more aggressive than percs. secondly i added another tomato in with my large one after sometime but made sure it was alot smaller, and so far everything is okay.

 

[streaker]

I agree with Sebae. One other thing, once your carpet gets a little bigger, it will eat your fish! Your clown, your tang and any other fish (even big ones) it can get its tennacles on. You can double check me on this but, find someone who has or has had a large carpet.

 

[chandler04]

Yer new, so I dont think people will take u seriously, but welcome to the board anyway.

I think that the carpet is cool, and it should be fine, I think the most aggresive are tubeworms and large feather dusters. Actually, if you get one medium sized true perc/ black and white perc, it will host that carpet anemone. They are known for that, and it is their favorite kind of anemone. They have also been known to host various corals, such as hammer corals, torch corals, etc. Go with a black and white, or even a maroon, cuz they are both hardy and tougher than percs. Good luck, and sorry new guy if I sounded harsh, but u shouldn't come right in and start swinging stuff around. Build yerself up first, respond to other peoples posts, then people will listen to you. U prob know wat yer saying, I dont know, but u only have 7 posts. Okay, im done talking. Gnight

 

[msd2]

Originally posted by Chandler04
Yer new, so I dont think people will take u seriously, but welcome to the board anyway.

I think that the carpet is cool, and it should be fine, I think the most aggresive are tubeworms and large feather dusters. Actually, if you get one medium sized true perc/ black and white perc, it will host that carpet anemone. They are known for that, and it is their favorite kind of anemone. They have also been known to host various corals, such as hammer corals, torch corals, etc. Go with a black and white, or even a maroon, cuz they are both hardy and tougher than percs. Good luck, and sorry new guy if I sounded harsh, but u shouldn't come right in and start swinging stuff around. Build yerself up first, respond to other peoples posts, then people will listen to you. U prob know wat yer saying, I dont know, but u only have 7 posts. Okay, im done talking. Gnight
Thanks for the info about the feather dusters, didnt know they were so agg. and I had intended on adding them. I will have to check out the black and white perc could be an interesting fish to add. I had never heard of a carpet eating everything, and found it hard to believe since prevously my old Seb. clown love to play in it. btw the carpet is good sized when he folds himself out about 8 inches or so.
Interesting you mentioned that about the corals, I caught him today playing in the gorng which severly pissed it off.

 

[diddley]

chandler, don't dis people and then spew some ridiculous statement like you just made. featherdusters are NOT aggressive msd2. they don't have the ability to be aggressive. they are very nice passive additions to marine tanks.

 

[thedraven]

Agree with diddley...
I dont see ANYONE having any right to look down on newbies. We were all newbies at one time (I still am), and we all have questions. So answer him correctly or keep quiet.
I believe in speaking from experience (yours or others), and my experience with clowns has been that you shouldnt mix them if possible. I was advised that it was fine by an lfs employee, and I ended up with the new tomato mauling a clarkii. Tomatoes are more aggressive clowns, and because they already have established territory I believe they would torment new percs. Its best to introduce mated pairs together of the same species to avoid problems.

 

[streaker]

Thanx for the support guys. Chandler04, here is some reading for you to do so that you may speak with knowledge. I may be new here, but do not discount what I say until you read on. There is even a link inclued below with pictures of the carpet anemone chowing down large fish, crabs, and even a puffer.
This comes from one of many discussions on the web.
Carpet anemone questions 10/18/03
After reviewing your site can you confirm the following:
1) The specimen in the attached photo is a S. Mertensii.
<cannot say with certainty from most any photo. But on gross characteristics, I'm inclined to wonder if this isn't S. gigantea which has dense short tentacles of equal size whereas S. mertensii has colored verrucae (peach/pink) and longer tentacles approaching the mouth>
2) Your usual recommended feeding regimen of a wash of mysis shrimp or other 1/4" food applies to this anemone as well. Not too frequently.
<yes... a must with all anemones to be safe. There are few if any large chunks of meat/fish falling through the water column untouched on a reef <G>. Many eyes watching and waiting to consume such matter. Anemones instead feed on fine zooplankton (like most carnivorous cnidarians) at night>
3) I bought this carpet unaware of the numerous posts of it eating tangs and other fish.
<yes... does occur because of the unnatural and crowded confines of aquaria. Far less so in the wild>
I am willing to assume some risk and leave it as is in my 200 g tank with 5 fish, but I might change my mind if it's a virtual certainty that at some point it will eat my purple tang. Can you roughly ballpark the percentages?
<nope>
Is it 50/50 that my fish will survive or are the odds against me 95/5?
<hard to say... truly pot luck. I never recommend anemones for mixed community tanks. I believe they should always be kept in a species or biotope display, else somebody's life (anemone and/or fishes') will be shortened.>
As always, thanks for your help.
<my strong advice is to house the anemone in a proper species tank. Perhaps a nice 60-90 gallon drilled and plumbed inline with your 200 gallon to spare you the expense of another filtration system. If your anemone is mertensii... it is a rock dweller... and if it is S. gigantea, then it is a sand/lagoon denizen (soft substrates). Best of luck. Anthony>
Cheers, and thanks in advance, Alan
<the site is not aquaristic, and look rather casual at that. To some extent it is a matter of good, better, best. Please heed practical experience in husbandry (numerous aquarists seeing large meals regurgitated after hours... damage to animal in some cases reported) and offer more natural sized prey. I assure you that far many more plankton get stuck to anemones tentacles than weak or dying fishes. Anemones are blind and sting any meaty food they touch... regardless of its natural/appropriate size or not. Anthony>
Feeding Whole Fish to a Carpet Anemone 9/3/03
The silversides I've bought (Hikari, I think) are quite large - 2 to 2.5 inches. How small should I cut these up, to feed to a 12" S. haddoni? Or should I be using them at all? Again, thanks.
<the quality of the food is very fine.... just chop/mince into small pieces as described int he archives you referred to in the last e-mail: 1/4" bits are very safe and will never give you cause for concern. Still not an ideal food as a staple. Natural foods are zooplankton substitutes like Mysid, minced krill and Pacifica plankton. Anthony>
Carpet Anemone - bad choice? 8/17/03
Hi. I purchased a green carpet anemone about three weeks ago. He was doing fine, but now for the past three days he is shrunk and his foot is not attached to anything. He keeps turning upside down. His mouth was open for a while before that, but did not seem to eat, I fed him phytoplankton, but anything larger he didn't eat. I have a clown fish that is very stressed over the situation, and anemone crabs are still in the anemone. I don't know if it is dying, or what to do at this point. Any help or suggestions? Thank you. Alice
http://www.wildsingapore.com/chekjawa/text/g510-2.htm

 

[streaker]

Just one more. There are many out there if you just search under carpet anemone. If nothing else, read the last sentence.
Stichodactyla haddoni (Green Carpet Anemone)Class: Order: Family: Scientific Name:Stichodactyla haddoni Common Name:Green Carpet Anemone Distribution: Diet:Feed on pieces of dead shrimps or seafood. it also has a great stinging ability sop it can catch fish in the tank. Temperament:It's sting is one of the strongest of any anemone being kept in reef tanks today. They have the ability to move and will move until they find a location that is to their liking. They will sting and kill other corals. Sexing: Breeding:none recorded Special Care: Other Comments:These anemones should be kept in larger systems as they can expand their mantles to over 1 feet across. They normally have symbiotic relationships with Sebae clownfish but can host a multitude of other species including juv. domino damsels. Lighting should be sufficient enough to keep hard corals (4+ watts per gallon). They prefer to hide their foot in deep and dark crevices and will move themselves until they find such a place. Their sting is potent (can make your finger numb) and they are notorious for killing and eating most small and medium fish kept in tanks.

 

[streaker]

msd2, this generaly happens with large carpet anemones, but with any sucess yours will be large soon enouhg. I just believe it is nice to know as mush as possible about the species we keep.
Scott

 

[killafins]

IMHO, i feel removing the tomato clown was a mistake. That aggressiveness that went on upon the two of them is very common and in fact, sadly, healthy. In natural the two clownfish have a very disturbed mating process. the bigger will kick the littler's arse and if it survives than they mate. I have kept two in a 20 gallon previously and by occasionally moving around the rockwork i have had no problem, a few small scars but you couldn't seperate them.

 

[chandler04]

Wow, u went through a lot of work just to prove me wrong? Okay then

. Well, I never heard of it, and there are different matters all over the place. Some weird things happen to people, but not to others. It may not have been feather dusters, but it was one type of thing LIKE a feather duster, like a tubeworm or sumthing, that I read they eat small fish.