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daniel411
Guest
So is it worth it to spend up to $200 billion to send another man to the moon, and place one on Mars? :notsure:
oceanic110
Member
It's only money!!!!!!
Why Not?
Why Not?
lovethesea
Active Member
probably, but by the time its actually done the price will have doubled due to underestimation.
tony detroit
Active Member
hmmmmn.....
1. crap economy
2. overpayed taxes
3. more jobs lost than in over 40 years
4. BS social security setup
5. no national health care
I'd say not a bright idea myself
1. crap economy
2. overpayed taxes
3. more jobs lost than in over 40 years
4. BS social security setup
5. no national health care
I'd say not a bright idea myself
tony detroit
Active Member
Originally posted by Niger12
possibly boost economy
If I were president I would worry about the 40million plus and approaching 50million Americans without health care before I shot people at a rock we will not live on for quite some time IF ever.
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daniel411
Guest
Anyone spending money creates jobs. Spending money on non essentials while having extensive debt though, just delays/creates larger problems.
As for our economy, thats a different matter. Do you think it really can ever be what it once was? We've lost our:
1. Manufacturing base
2. Research/Inovation
3. Capital base
Other than highly overpaid, vs equally large overseas companies, executives. What will boost our economy?
As for our economy, thats a different matter. Do you think it really can ever be what it once was? We've lost our:
1. Manufacturing base
2. Research/Inovation
3. Capital base
Other than highly overpaid, vs equally large overseas companies, executives. What will boost our economy?
tony detroit
Active Member
Not much, costs are too much here. People ***** about not getting health care and retirement plans and etc. working at su
ay, but then your subs would be 12dollars each and the store would go down. Why, because of cost of health insurance. Govt. implemented healthcare would be of great benefit. Last time I checked it was the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US. Jobs are going to continue to go overseas. First thing should be close the borders. As long as unemployment is the way it is there doesn't need to be more people. Second thing, tax all imported goods to high sky. This will bring their prices on par with american made goods, and put a little bit less burden on our own wallets, and help generate funds for other wasteful programs, like the space shuttle. Then I would implement a standard retirement fund. The more you pay in the more you get, very simple. My dad has put close to seven figures into social security and he is elgible for 17grand a year. Then you have all these people drawing out of it that never put anything into it.
niger12
Member
The national trade deficit has been off since 1968. THe Net Exports have been in negative numbers since 1968 except for 1975. THe U.S. economy has been driven by comsumer products for nearly a century. 60-70 percent of the U.S. dollars go to consumer products. I am not saying don't buy American, personally they are better product in most cases but forcing everybody to purchase U.S. products would cause more problems. All this time the U.S. is in the top 4 for countries with the highest standard of living. As far as your S.S. reform I don't think I will see it in my life time. Your right people that don't pay a dime still get retirement funding. Does not seem fare to me. Just think if your father had been able to put is seven figures somewhere else. The public needs to take steps to prepare themselves for retirement and not rely on S.S. for the early generations they counted to much on S.S. IMO
wamp
Active Member
My view:
This world we live on has not even been discovered yet. How about we go the deepest part of the ocean, or inside a volcano etc...
We have more important issues at hand here on earth. I do not need to know the affects of weightlesnes on a cancer patient in orbit. I need to know what medicenes will help here on earth.
Sure, I find it awsome to see the Pics of it all out there, but, Money can be better spent here on earth right now.
What good is being able to go to space if your kids can't read how to get there. Public education is underfunded and overstocked. How about 200Billion for some more schools and better teachers? How about a school that actually has up to date books.
The whole Govt is corrupt. It is an election year and that is what has spurred this. Along with the Imigration issue, it all makes me sick. I am sickened to live in a country where our President is more concerned about getting re-elected than the issues at hand. Bush has raised 120million so far for his campaign... WHY??? All he has to do is call CNN and NBC and tell them he wants an exclusive and say this "If you like the work I have done so far, vote for me, If not, Don't" BOOM, he can give back the 120mill to the special intrest groups and we cann be happy.
Wamp for president!!!! I will rid this country of Govt. Corruption and bring back grass-roots politics!
This world we live on has not even been discovered yet. How about we go the deepest part of the ocean, or inside a volcano etc...
We have more important issues at hand here on earth. I do not need to know the affects of weightlesnes on a cancer patient in orbit. I need to know what medicenes will help here on earth.
Sure, I find it awsome to see the Pics of it all out there, but, Money can be better spent here on earth right now.
What good is being able to go to space if your kids can't read how to get there. Public education is underfunded and overstocked. How about 200Billion for some more schools and better teachers? How about a school that actually has up to date books.
The whole Govt is corrupt. It is an election year and that is what has spurred this. Along with the Imigration issue, it all makes me sick. I am sickened to live in a country where our President is more concerned about getting re-elected than the issues at hand. Bush has raised 120million so far for his campaign... WHY??? All he has to do is call CNN and NBC and tell them he wants an exclusive and say this "If you like the work I have done so far, vote for me, If not, Don't" BOOM, he can give back the 120mill to the special intrest groups and we cann be happy.
Wamp for president!!!! I will rid this country of Govt. Corruption and bring back grass-roots politics!
karajay
Active Member
This whole space station on the moon and landing a man on Mars issue really burns me. What could we possibly have to gain that would justify spending that much money? Last Sunday's newspaper said "Mining camps could be set up on the Moon to gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on earth." Do they really believe that will be cost effective? Or is that Bush's idea for creating jobs?
marvida
Member
Just for the sake of argument, do some research on how much of today's technology would not exist if not for the space program. It's the "tactical to practical" aspect that I feel pays for that type of thing. I really don't care if we really ever set foot on the moon again, or mars for that matter, in fact I agree with Van Allen that we should send robots as they are far more cost effective. However being as old as dirt, I can remember when the JFK's and MLK's of the world were giving speeches about things more important than what was going to happen next week. Somebody's got to start with some kind of future vision. Hopefully it will be one that I can agree to, but hey, you can't have everything.
beaslbob
Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Daniel411
So is it worth it to spend up to $200 billion to send another man to the moon, and place one on Mars? :notsure:
Absolutely. But then what do you expect from an aerospace engineer
seriously i heard such things as they left $186 million on the moon back in the early 70's. My point is that all they did was move a very small amount of earth to the moon. All the money was still on earth employing people, providing food and shelter and advancing the human race. To me that is much better than say unemployement checks.
oceanic110
Member
Maybe it's just me, But look at the how much the government spend on BS. I no you have see the news about fleecing America.
People are going to spend millions, billions of doller on what they want. Can I control that? NO. Do I care? Not really...
How does spending 200 billion to send someone to the Moon and Mars effect me? I don't see how.
So spending money to go to the Moon or the the depths of the Ocean or center of the Earth, Does it really matter? And if so how does it closely effect me or you?
People are going to spend millions, billions of doller on what they want. Can I control that? NO. Do I care? Not really...
How does spending 200 billion to send someone to the Moon and Mars effect me? I don't see how.
So spending money to go to the Moon or the the depths of the Ocean or center of the Earth, Does it really matter? And if so how does it closely effect me or you?
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yae4volcom
Guest
200 billion dollars to send someone to mars?!?!?!
So many people stick an American flag sticker on there car and say they are proud to be an American. When you really think about it there isn't that much to be proud of. In the past, our country has done a lot of terrible things. Slavery and the whole Native American deal as an example. In the present, USA isn't doing much good iether. Our country has so much money and power yet we do very little with it. Spending 200 billion dollars to send someone to space isn't exactly helping anyone. Even if some people do benefit from the space program....Think about what you could do with 200 billion dollars. Send it over to Africa and change a ton of peoples lives. Use it to send someone to mars and do absolutely nothing! Just my opinion..
So many people stick an American flag sticker on there car and say they are proud to be an American. When you really think about it there isn't that much to be proud of. In the past, our country has done a lot of terrible things. Slavery and the whole Native American deal as an example. In the present, USA isn't doing much good iether. Our country has so much money and power yet we do very little with it. Spending 200 billion dollars to send someone to space isn't exactly helping anyone. Even if some people do benefit from the space program....Think about what you could do with 200 billion dollars. Send it over to Africa and change a ton of peoples lives. Use it to send someone to mars and do absolutely nothing! Just my opinion..
jokerswild
Member
i don't know what we would get out of going to mars or back to the moon......... oh yeah i know more TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
swilbs83
Member
Tony sorry to burst your bubble but a national health care program would send the US not only into bankruptcy, but would reduce the quality of our health system enormously. Take a look at the other countries in the world(UK, Cuba, etc) and their health care status. Wonder why they all come here for medical procedures? It isn't a coincidence. It is because our health care system is based on incentives for up and coming doctors. Let's face it, the reason people engage in years of extra schooling to become doctors nowadays is to get a big paycheck plain and simple. And there is even a bigger paycheck for people who specialize in complex areas such as heart surgery, brain surgery, etc. If you implement a national health care system you take away that incentive by giving all doctors a flat rate, which can't come close to the salary they earn now. Taxes would be astronomical to pay for every single medical procedure for every single american. 300 million people's doctors bills. Add it up. Because of this factor you would have to reduce ALL doctors salaries and would cause a great reduction in people studying medicine, and therefore lower the over all quality of the health system we currently have. America has the greatest medical doctors and tools available in the world. Dont' go ruining it by trying to implement some sort of "National Health policy". Just because you were born in the United States doesn't give you, or anyone, the right to have free anything. It does, however, give you the chance to work hard, succeed, and pay for your own costs of living. This isn't, and shouldn't be a free ride for anyone.
And by the way, I don't know if you've taken the time to notice, but our economy is on a full blown recovery and will be exceeding 11k on the DOW within the next few months.
And by the way, I don't know if you've taken the time to notice, but our economy is on a full blown recovery and will be exceeding 11k on the DOW within the next few months.
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slofish
Guest
JUST MY OPINIONS:
From the monetary aspect, 200 billion in a currently screwy economy is absolutely ridiculous to spend to send a second group of men to the moon...
From my aspect, being an aerospace engineering student..... this is awesome.... it'll create more jobs whether or not we suceed.
From discoveries aspect..... when you think about it, someone had to fund all those ships back in history that were used to discover the states. Its not about the money, but its about the discovery and achievement. Its like when the wright brothers first achieved flight. They did something no one else has ever done before. When the first settlers came across the US in search of gold... many were penniless, but they came in pursuit of discovery. many paid the ultimate price... their lives to make a journey out to the West Coast.
From common sense aspect.... It took the Mars Exploration 7 months to get from earth to mars.... Realisticly putting a man on mars requires a pod that will fully sustain a crew for 7 full months. Personally, i think its still some time away.
From the monetary aspect, 200 billion in a currently screwy economy is absolutely ridiculous to spend to send a second group of men to the moon...
From my aspect, being an aerospace engineering student..... this is awesome.... it'll create more jobs whether or not we suceed.
From discoveries aspect..... when you think about it, someone had to fund all those ships back in history that were used to discover the states. Its not about the money, but its about the discovery and achievement. Its like when the wright brothers first achieved flight. They did something no one else has ever done before. When the first settlers came across the US in search of gold... many were penniless, but they came in pursuit of discovery. many paid the ultimate price... their lives to make a journey out to the West Coast.
From common sense aspect.... It took the Mars Exploration 7 months to get from earth to mars.... Realisticly putting a man on mars requires a pod that will fully sustain a crew for 7 full months. Personally, i think its still some time away.
wamp
Active Member
Someone said something about technology from the space program...
I agree, there has been some, but, technology led TO the space program. We did not go to space before the airplane was invented.
I would love to see pictures, and sights from the Moon and Mars, but, at this point in our country, I don't see how to justify such an ambitious project.. To spend 200Billion to create new jobs for space exploration seems a bit extreme to me. Espically when you consider that it will only affect a fraction of a fraction of a percent of people in this country.
I am all for exploration, BUT, lets do some more here first. Lets get out of Iraq and Afganistain before we move onto something else.
I agree, there has been some, but, technology led TO the space program. We did not go to space before the airplane was invented.
I would love to see pictures, and sights from the Moon and Mars, but, at this point in our country, I don't see how to justify such an ambitious project.. To spend 200Billion to create new jobs for space exploration seems a bit extreme to me. Espically when you consider that it will only affect a fraction of a fraction of a percent of people in this country.
I am all for exploration, BUT, lets do some more here first. Lets get out of Iraq and Afganistain before we move onto something else.