2nd Amendment limitations...

[theclemsonkid]

So after reading the other post I started, the 2nd amendment debate came up yet again, and I have a simple question:
When the constitution says you have the right to bear arms, what exactly does the constitution consider to be "arms"? Is a handgun considered arms? How bout a knife, ninja sword, flaming ball of gas, nuclear weapon, etc...
I only ask, because I get SO irritated by those who get their respective panties in a bunch when the thought of banning assult weapons comes up. Call me crazy, but I can't possibly imagine a time where any individual would need what in essence is a military grade weapon.
Someone please enlighten me as to why you would ever use, or want one...
Hunting? No
Self Defense? No
Stopping those pesky Brits from knocking your door down? well, maybe...

 

[theclemsonkid]

And while we're on the subject of the constitution, do you all really believe that something written over 200 years ago, in a completely different time and place by all respects, holds the same meanings and context in 2010?
To me, the constitution for the most part is like the old testament, it has a lot of good ideas and moral guidance, but was written far too long ago to be taken seriously in context in todays society.
That's where most people who are hard core Christians will say you have to "have faith" in the bible and what it says, forever and ever. Again, I feel like what most of the constitution says should be taken the same way...

 

[jtt]

When was the last time you posted on a thread related to fish?

 

[theclemsonkid]

Originally Posted by JTT
http:///forum/post/3234370
When was the last time you posted on a thread related to fish?
I've had my tank setup for over a year now without any changes, so I don't really have much to talk about fish wise. When I started my tank I asked all kinds of questions!
And honestly, if you don't like the questions I ask, then ignore them. That's one of the few things we still have in this country is free speech, and I intend to take full advantage of that...

 

[hunt]

im just saying, if we ban guns, then the only people who will have them is criminals

 

[theclemsonkid]

Originally Posted by Hunt
http:///forum/post/3234377
im just saying, if we ban guns, then the only people who will have them is criminals
If you misinterpreted what I said, let me be very clear. I in no way would want a COMPLETE ban on weapons. I would be in favor of restrictions for sure, but never, EVER a complete ban...

 

[bionicarm]

Wait for it... Wait for it..
Oh wait, Veni, , strdbe, Darth, or Reef haven't seen this post yet.
You're in for a REAL treat.

 

[theclemsonkid]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3234380
Wait for it... Wait for it..
Oh wait, Veni, , strdbe, Darth, or Reef haven't seen this post yet.
You're in for a REAL treat.

I mean is it really that crazy for me to think people don't need to be able to purchase an assult rifle?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3234368
And while we're on the subject of the constitution, do you all really believe that something written over 200 years ago, in a completely different time and place by all respects, holds the same meanings and context in 2010?
To me, the constitution for the most part is like the old testament, it has a lot of good ideas and moral guidance, but was written far too long ago to be taken seriously in context in todays society.
That's where most people who are hard core Christians will say you have to "have faith" in the bible and what it says, forever and ever. Again, I feel like what most of the constitution says should be taken the same way...
and that is why most of your posts make about as much sense as a football bat...

 

[uneverno]

This is a point where I take serious issue with my fellow Liberals.
A question most of them can't answer: What's an assault weapon?

 

[hunt]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3234379
If you misinterpreted what I said, let me be very clear. I in no way would want a COMPLETE ban on weapons. I would be in favor of restrictions for sure, but never, EVER a complete ban...
i see, i see

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3234365
So after reading the other post I started, the 2nd amendment debate came up yet again, and I have a simple question:
When the constitution says you have the right to bear arms, what exactly does the constitution consider to be "arms"? Is a handgun considered arms? How bout a knife, ninja sword, flaming ball of gas, nuclear weapon, etc...
I only ask, because I get SO irritated by those who get their respective panties in a bunch when the thought of banning assult weapons comes up. Call me crazy, but I can't possibly imagine a time where any individual would need what in essence is a military grade weapon.
Someone please enlighten me as to why you would ever use, or want one...
Hunting? No
Self Defense? No
Stopping those pesky Brits from knocking your door down? well, maybe...
What I define as 'gun fanatics' would disagree with you. Some owners of assault weapons justify ownership by stating they collect them, or use them for target practice. Others just say they don't really care to own one, but if they did want one, they could buy it because the 2nd Amendment says they can. There's a lot of things I can buy if I want to, but I don't base that decision on some Amendment in the Constitution.
I actually owned a Colt AR-15 back in the days when I was an avid deer hunter. It was lightweight, very accurate within 200 yards, small caliber (.223), and could hold a clip for multiple rounds. When I went hunting for large Mule deer, there were a couple of times whereby if I couldn't have popped off two consecutive rounds, the deer wouldn't have gone down. If I would've had a bolt-action rifle, I wouldn't have had enough time to reload before the deer ran off. When deer hunting got too expensive and inconvenient, I sold it to someone I knew who could use it for that purpose. Bottom line, I don't keep weapons I don't use for the sole purpose of owning one because the 2nd Amendment allows me to.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3234387
This is a point where I take serious issue with my fellow Liberals.
A question most of them can't answer: What's an assault weapon?
I believe the definition is any weapon that can hold a clip that contains more than 25 rounds, is a semi-automatic, and can be modified to be a fully automatic. Your typical assault weapons are AK-47, Uzi, TEC-9, and even the AR-15.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3234386
and that is why most of your posts make about as much sense as a football bat...
That's the best you can do on this subject? Oh, that's right. Most of your posts are just 'insult bombs' with no relevent content regarding the topic being discussed.

 

[jstdv8]

It's not neccesarily about automatic rifles, or handguns, or granage launchers or whatever you want the weapon to be. It's about rights, Its about us being ableto fight back against all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. Sure, you could argue that we have a military for that. But that's part of the point too. The military is government run, If the government decided to do something totally off the hook to the people who is going to stop them if we bring a knife to a gun fight?
And as the other poster said, If you ban pistols for instance, then the only people who have pistols is cops and rapists, thieves and murderers. They will always be available to those who do not abide by the law.
If you need proof take a look at washington D.C.'s crime rate, only state in the country with a gun ban, highest crime rate in the country. Pretty simple.
You could also refference Austrailias gun ban and the drastic increase in violent crimes since the ban.
You also need to ask "where does the gun ban stop" do they take our assault rifles now, then pistols, then semiauto hunting caliber rifles and then bolt action rifles? One loss of a particular gun is just anotherstep in not having any at all. Be it for personal protection, hunting, can plinking,whatever.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3234396
It's not neccesarily about automatic rifles, or handguns, or granage launchers or whatever you want the weapon to be. It's about rights, Its about us being ableto fight back against all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. Sure, you could argue that we have a military for that. But that's part of the point too. The military is government run, If the government decided to do something totally off the hook to the people who is going to stop them if we bring a knife to a gun fight?
And as the other poster said, If you ban pistols for instance, then the only people who have pistols is cops and rapists, thieves and murderers. They will always be available to those who do not abide by the law.
If you need proof take a look at washington D.C.'s crime rate, only state in the country with a gun ban, highest crime rate in the country. Pretty simple.
You could also refference Austrailias gun ban and the drastic increase in violent crimes since the ban.
You also need to ask "where does the gun ban stop" do they take our assault rifles now, then pistols, then semiauto hunting caliber rifles and then bolt action rifles? One loss of a particular gun is just anotherstep in not having any at all. Be it for personal protection, hunting, can plinking,whatever.
I agree with your post for the most part. However, if the day ever did come when our military did turn against it's normal citizens, you couldn't have a large enough cache of assault weapons to fight them in conventional hand-to-hand combat. You could take a few more of them down than someone with just a bolt-action or shotgun, but you'd end up dead just the same.
BTW, are you really from Wasilla? I didn't think anyone but Sarah existed in that town.

 

[jstdv8]

Yes, I live in Wasilla
You are right about not having enough guns to fight back, but if there ever were a true resistance it would be more like millions of homeowners, not just me against the government. Let's hope that day never comes, But our early leadersrealized that in this system it has to be controled by the people, but our newer government keeps trying to take over more and more.
I just looked up violent crime stats (seems 2006 is the only table I can find)
It's staggering how bad DC is, It's not a close race for the rights to be called worst in crime, its a friggin blowout!
Take a look.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3234365
Call me crazy, but I can't possibly imagine a time where any individual would need what in essence is a military grade weapon.
Someone please enlighten me as to why you would ever use, or want one...
Hunting? No
Self Defense? No
Stopping those pesky Brits from knocking your door down? well, maybe...
Float to freedom from Cuba, lose you mom in the process, get sent back to communism by gunpoint.
HMMM, not the Brits knocking......
I bet they wish they had an AR or two.

" My cold, dead hands!"

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3234395
That's the best you can do on this subject? Oh, that's right. Most of your posts are just 'insult bombs' with no relevent content regarding the topic being discussed.

Ha....
after your Bobby Jinal post you say this!

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3234411
Yes, I live in Wasilla
You are right about not having enough guns to fight back, but if there ever were a true resistance it would be more like millions of homeowners, not just me against the government. Let's hope that day never comes, But our early leadersrealized that in this system it has to be controled by the people, but our newer government keeps trying to take over more and more.
I just looked up violent crime stats (seems 2006 is the only table I can find)
It's staggering how bad DC is, It's not a close race for the rights to be called worst in crime, its a friggin blowout!
Take a look.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html
I'll have to find the aricle, but despite record gun sales in the last 18 months, crime is down.