37 gallon, kinda reef?

siline

siline

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Originally Posted by FLBOYINOHIO
http:///forum/post/2675913
Jesus pesus here we go again, thanks for the advice but:
1.) its not a sailfish tang its a pygmy angel
2.) the rabbit fish will be fine
3.) the 70lbs of LR will be plenty because I have already dumped to bottles of copods
4.) Just like the last person who said my nem would be dead everyone should know that it is fine! People should learn the truth about this hobby instead of taking the advice of some other idiot who posted an equally stupid hypothesis on here
Im 100% sure IT IS a Tang (just by looking at its peculiar shape, even if I couldnt see the colors), and looking at the pic you inserted I CAN TELL YOU, IT IS A SAILFIN TANG... (BTW, I have one)...
Originally Posted by RobN70
http:///forum/post/2676199
Don't forget about the Fuzzy Dwarf Lion that's hiding in there somewhere. This tank seems alittle overstocked to me (eventually the cromis will become lunch for the lion helping with the overstocking issue.)
Cromis will be the first, all of the small one's will follow...
But that will help you with your overstocking issue... LOL!
Really, he will eat them...
Originally Posted by FishyGurl
http:///forum/post/2676322
and maybe even the clowns and mandarin?
Im still in doubt that "he" is there just swimming, but lets say he is... that is as of NOW, eventually as they said, HE WILL EVERYTHING THAT FITS IN HIS MOUTH... and even if it is a bit bigger, he'll try to eat'em anyway... and belive me... lions' mouth can get really big. I'd say if you want to keep'em he's size or bigger... anything smaller eventually will be he's lunch...
Originally Posted by FishyGurl
http:///forum/post/2676334
just takes time for the lions to go bad, you may have them for a couple years till they decide to eat one of your fish, they can and will (not sure when) eat any fish that can fit in its mouth..
as to the seeding the tank ya its great you bought them, however i dont think they would be able to multiply that quickly, how long was your tank set up before you added the mandarin? when did u add the two bottles?
lets see closer pics of this "pygmy angel" i would REALLY like to have a pygmy angel in my tank cuz i have a 125 and im still debating on if im gonna have to trade a sailfin tang in once it gets to a certain length.. i am like 99.999999999% sure that is NOT a pygmy angel.. do you have a name for it? cuz there are a few pygmy angels and ive never seen this one before, seriously its a sailfin.. if u have a name for it i want the scientific name too
If Fishygurl says shes 99.99999% sure, Id say Im 100%.... just to round off...
 
matt b

matt b

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Who told you that was a angel? I think its funny hoe you will not even look into it and see if it really is a angel and you just say it is. What type of pymy do you think it is? And it does not matter if you have that much rock cause its not the lbs its how much surfeace area you have for the pods to breed. And having that size tank with a mandarin with no refugium leaves no place for your pods to breed. You tank is not only over stocked right not, It will only get worse. That sailfin (or u call it a angel) will have a hard time turning around in that tank one day and same with the rabbit fish. So its overstocked and only going to get worse over time. The chromis MIGHT not get eaten IF they are VERY lucky. The anem is VERY bleached and I doubt it will come back to life and for sure wont with those lights. I know the white may look good to you but that means that he is bleached and is in very bad shape. He is like this cause I am sure your nitrates are off the chart and you dont have the right lights for him.
 
mkzimms

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not to flame but to give you the benefit of the doubt, i just flipped through my burgess' atlas of marine aquarium fishes, you know the 800 page one that shows and describes over 6400 fish. There is no pygmy angles that look like that, or any angel for that matter. That shape and coloring is so tang specific its ridiculous, its like trying to tell us a dalmatian is a kind of bird. The only angel it could possibly be (and this is a very very very big stretch) is a Multifasciatus Angelfish (centropyge multifasciatus) but its not because of its tail coloring, stripe thickness and positioning of the eyes and mouth. i can also pretty much make out the caudal spine in one of your pictures where its swimming between the rocks.
+1 its a sailfin tang.
that urchin wont be a happy camper once it strips the rocks of all the algae and coraline leaving not much to eat for it or your mystery fish. you will need to supplement its diet with nori or dried seaweed sheets. it will not live long if you have high trates, they are very sensitive to water quality.
 
mkzimms

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You can see when i enlarge the image slightly and adjust the hue / saturation in photoshop that the caudal spine becomes visible. Its a tang.

 
paintballer768

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Sorry but its a sailfin tang for sure. Im surprised nobody said anything about keeping anemones under power compact lighting. Anemones are very dependent on the food they get from the zooxanthelle photosynthesis, and its quite possible to keep a highly bleached anemone under those lights if you fed it daily with silversides or some other kind of meaty foods, yet I doubt thats been done.
I really really recommend you research your tank inhabitants and such or I fear it might crash soon. Cleaning out dead anemones is rediculously hard to do without ammonia and nitrite occuring.
 
flboyinohio

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hey everyone, while it is kinda annoying to admit some of you may be right.... haha I did want to ask one question since I have so many people's attention
My PC's are putting out about 5 watts per gallon... now i understand not all lights are created equally but everything I have EVER read would tell me 5 watts should be sufficient... and to answer a previous post, I am spot feeding about every 3rd day with small silversides
 
fishygurl

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Originally Posted by FLBOYINOHIO
http:///forum/post/2677740
hey everyone, while it is kinda annoying to admit some of you may be right.... haha I did want to ask one question since I have so many people's attention
My PC's are putting out about 5 watts per gallon... now i understand not all lights are created equally but everything I have EVER read would tell me 5 watts should be sufficient... and to answer a previous post, I am spot feeding about every 3rd day with small silversides
it basically goes like this pc<t5<mh
you may be able to keep some easy mushrooms, or zoos or anything really easy to keep like that with them.. you wouldnt be able to keep things like hard corals or clams, or anemones, with them..
 
flboyinohio

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Just got back from my LFS they said I could use these lights on a custom acrylic tank I have but havnt finished the stand.
its 30" wide by 19" deep by 15" high
 
matt b

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It goes PC, T5, VHO, MH. It is not ALL about watts. Alot of it is but not all. Its mostly about PAR. T5s have better PAR then PC. MH with actinics are the best. You can not beat that. The next step down is VHO which is 110 watt bulbs for 48". Then there is PC which really is kind of a waste when you could get a good T5 unit for about the same price. MH with actinic you can keep anything, VHO you can keep anything, T5 WITH good reflectors you can keep pretty much anything, T5 with cheap reflectors you can keep almost anything but SPS and clams. PC you can keep a few LPS all softies NO SPS or clams.
 
matt b

matt b

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Originally Posted by FLBOYINOHIO
http:///forum/post/2677937
Just got back from my LFS they said I could use these lights on a custom acrylic tank I have but havnt finished the stand.
its 30" wide by 19" deep by 15" high
Yes you could, BUT all you could keep are softies and maybe a LPS at the VERY top. 99% of LFS do not know what they are talking about. Always post here befor you take their advise. I forgot to say anems have about the same need of light as SPS. Maybe not as much but pretty close if you ask me.
 
flboyinohio

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ok well like i said I think i might go with that other tank becuase it has a sock filter and refugium. I would put the nem, clowns, and manderin in there and use a 24" t5 light or MH light if i can get it cheap enough
 
flboyinohio

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Hey ok how does this sound? A 250 watt MH for the 37 gallon, and a variable MH with a max 250 watt for my 15" high acrylic... i could get both for 175 including bulb and everything
 
matt b

matt b

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Originally Posted by FLBOYINOHIO
http:///forum/post/2678828
Hey ok how does this sound? A 250 watt MH for the 37 gallon, and a variable MH with a max 250 watt for my 15" high acrylic... i could get both for 175 including bulb and everything
That might be a little much for the acrylic tank. But good for the 37. Just make sure when you get them you acclimate the coral to the new light. Meaning you only run it for a few hrs a day and put screaning over the tank to stop some of the light then slowly add hrs a day and take some of the screan out. And dont forget you still need to get rid of that tang soon and same with the rabbit. And I doubt getting the new light will help much with this anem. it looks pretty far gone to me. But who knows. And you can always get a new one now that you have that light.
 
flboyinohio

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how low should i turn the MH town for the acrylic if i wanted to make that one a reef? i love that its more of a square and provides more surface area
 
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