55gallon tank need advice

xalkopx

New Member
i have a question. i am brand new to saltwater tanks. i am doing fowlr. as of right now my tank is still cycling. so i have no fish in it yet. i have a 55 g standard tank, and i am using a hang on back filter. i was told at my lfs that this would work just fine, but i am seriously considering getting a sump. can you guys please let me know what size sump i need, how it works, the best kind to get, and any other info you think will help me. my tank is not drilled, and i am not looking for info on how to make my own. thanks in advance!!!
 

mjtech12

Member
Hi welcome to the Obsession,
I would go with an Aqueon Modular ProFlex Sump Model 2 works for up to 75 gallon tanks price around $250.00 then your going to need a pump I would go with with the Aqueon 3000 Submersible just to match it up with the sump it all comes with the hoses to run up to the tank because your tank is not drilled as far as your hang on filter its only good for a short while it wont hold the bio load the tank is going to need what else do you have in the tank I:E: live sand live rock how are you cycling with no fish did you do the ammonia way of cycling otherwise you do need fish to do it or ghost feed the tank which it will tank a lot longer, I would add bacteria and add some damsels or green chromis good luck and do a lot of research
 

xalkopx

New Member
Hi, thanks for the response. As soon as I'm done writing you back I'm gonna go look up those items!! In my tank right now I have about 55-60 pounds of live rock, and 50 pounds live sand.
 

mjtech12

Member
Yes do a lot of research another alternative could be a Canister filter I run 2 because this is just my preference and sumps get kinda smelly but are more effective if you are just running fish only then Canisters are the way to go if you are going to run a Reef in the future then go with a sump the sand and live rock are good as long as you have about 2 1/2 in of it adding sand afterwards is sketchy adding rock is no problem so having the bed setup before hand is crucial good luck bro and any questions just keep asking
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by xalkopx http:///t/394712/55gallon-tank-need-advice#post_3513290
Hi, thanks for the response. As soon as I'm done writing you back I'm gonna go look up those items!! In my tank right now I have about 55-60 pounds of live rock, and 50 pounds live sand.
Hi,
(Just a word of caution) Make sure the rock is on the bottom of the tank and push the sand around it...you can't build on shifting sand. It will shift maybe crushing critters or breaking the tank.
I use the CPR overflow and a standard 20g tall for my sump on the 56g I have. I have no dividers, and it works like a champ. I use the Ehiem 2000 for my return pump, and a lifter pump that's sold for the CPR overflow (I now have the little prefilter) I highly recommend the little prefilter they sell for $3.00 to keep the lifter pump from clogging up. I use the PVC pipe as my return gizmo, attached to flex hoses for easy replacement. I also use flex hose on the overflow for the same reason. It's easy to see if it clogs or gets funky looking, and very easy to replace.
The Eheim 2000 pump is round $200.00, I have an Eheim 3000 on my 90g a well, it's a very good pump. I have close off valves on everything so that I have complete control of the water flow.
The system MJTech offered still needs a pump, and the bottom cost will be around $400.00. a 20g tall or a 30g long (if you want to add baffles) tank is pretty cheap. The PVC pipe to make a return gizmo and the flex hose all together with the pump is around $250.00 (if you have baffles for dividers) and around $225.00 if you go with the 20g and no baffles. I also recommend the Octopus sss1000 for a skimmer (you won't need it until the tank is about 2 months old)
 

mjtech12

Member
Flowers Right it needs a pump which I wrote it (Aqueon 3000 Submersible) but I think as a new person to the hobby he will get overwhelmed with DIY Flower and building your own sump takes a lot of ingenuity and skill so why not buy something that's proven to work from the start there's a lot of sumps and pumps out there some are expensive some aren't he only has a 55 so its not that crucial at his stage in the game as a Noobie.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by MJTech12 http:///t/394712/55gallon-tank-need-advice#post_3513300
Flowers Right it needs a pump which I wrote it (Aqueon 3000 Submersible) but I think as a new person to the hobby he will get overwhelmed with DIY Flower and building your own sump takes a lot of ingenuity and skill so why not buy something that's proven to work from the start there's a lot of sumps and pumps out there some are expensive some aren't he only has a 55 so its not that crucial at his stage in the game as a Noobie.
Hi,
A 20g tall tank...with a pump to return the water, and an overflow to send the water to the sump (100% exactly the same pump and overflow system as the one you mentioned)....a 20g tank costs about $20.00. No baffles, no dividers, and it works 100% trouble free. What is so hard for an idiot like myself to do, that a noob couldn't copy and do the same?
While the 30g long would need him/her to create a divider...only for the purpose to create a chamber for a refugium...which is much easier than trying to set up a separate tank for a refugium later on. To do that one, it takes a single thick piece of glass cut to fit and a little taller and about 2 inches from the top...Put a Y connector on the main hose leading from the overflow, and then run one hose from the overflow to feed the main chamber, and a plastic ball valve on the divided offshoot hose to the refugium section..... where it will naturally overflow to the main chamber to be returned to the top tank via the return pump.
Believe me, if I can do it...the dumbest idiot on the planet can. It's just my opinion, but give me an Eheim pump instead of the Aqueon every time.
Even if the original poster were to purchase the sump you mentioned...he/she will still have to run the hoses and pumps. The only difference is the sump tank. One is called a sump (has dividers) and the other is just called an aquarium by the makers of such things...there is no difference. The baffles (dividers) others create are not really even needed....Some people do the baffles because there is some concern about microbubbles...but I don't have any microbubbles on my single tank design leading to my 56g. So unless you do, a divider isn't needed.
 

mjtech12

Member
True Very True Flower I agree with all you said, one thing we should agree upon is that he has to get rid of that hang-on filter unless its like a CPR Bak-pak or something similar but he didn't mention that, it comes down to preference and what you can afford, I know when I first started ( over 20 years ago) there wasn't much to choose from and stuff was still expensive now there's a lot to choose from and the prices have doubled.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by MJTech12 http:///t/394712/55gallon-tank-need-advice#post_3513310
True Very True Flower I agree with all you said, one thing we should agree upon is that he has to get rid of that hang-on filter unless its like a CPR Bak-pak or something similar but he didn't mention that, it comes down to preference and what you can afford, I know when I first started ( over 20 years ago) there wasn't much to choose from and stuff was still expensive now there's a lot to choose from and the prices have doubled.
Hi,
LOL...Oh so true! I just want to say that a HOB is not a bad filter, I liked my canister filters for many years. A sump is always the best choice, and the easiest to maintain, not to mention hiding all that equipment, but it isn't a deal breaker to not have one. A canister, a couple of HOB types or a sump (made like mine is)....all have about the same price tag. I HATED my Bac-pak skimmer, and if it has the name bac-pak anything, I personally won't have anything to do with it. A couple of big whisper HOBs are just fine, and would be a snap to maintain. The only problem I see with that is you would need a HOB skimmer...to which I have not found one I remotely even like.
In fact in my 90g potbelly seahorse tank, I have a sump with an awesome in sump skimmer, and a refugium. I also run a double chamber HOB to collect the big stuff. Seahorses are very messy.
In my 56g Kuda seahorse tank I have a sump with a mini canister in it to collect the big stuff, and no skimmer at all. When it comes to filtration, we can get very inventive to suite our needs.
 

mjtech12

Member
Hey Flower you mentioned skimmers I believe Reef-Octopus makes a pretty decent HOB skimmer along with In-Sump ones but he wont need a skimmer for a while, hey im not a big fan of HOB Filters but I do have a giant bio-wheel for my QT tank like I said preference and Funds for this OBSESSION.
 

ocd1130

New Member
So confused! I am starting up with a clown fish mated pair. I am looking to breed clownfish to pay for my new obsession:) the owner of the pet store told me to not bother w all that mess your talking about. No need to cycle the tank he has a bottle of magic that will do it for me.. Well let me say if my 250.00 clown pair die its his gain and my loss... What do you think do i need to cycle? Will two over the tank filters work and thats it with the exception of the flower pot? Please help me out
 

sweatervest13

Active Member
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Originally Posted by ocd1130 http:///t/394712/55gallon-tank-need-advice#post_3518200
So confused! I am starting up with a clown fish mated pair. I am looking to breed clownfish to pay for my new obsession:) the owner of the pet store told me to not bother w all that mess your talking about. No need to cycle the tank he has a bottle of magic that will do it for me.. Well let me say if my 250.00 clown pair die its his gain and my loss... What do you think do i need to cycle? Will two over the tank filters work and thats it with the exception of the flower pot? Please help me out
Hi there,
Yes, it is all very confusing... But kind of necessarily so, there are a lot of ways to set up a tank and be successful. If you are planning starting out in the hobby and you want to keep a mated pair of clowns to breed, I would want a pretty decent filtration setup. But that's just me...
I would not risk a pair of $250.00 fish on a tank cycled with a bottle of magic. I would set up a tank with whatever filtration I feel good about, and let it cycle with live rock and live sand (you can use base rock and sand seeded with the live stuff to keep things more cost effective). Either using a raw table shrimp or some pure ammonia. After adding the shrimp or ammonia, I would wait a day or two, then test the parameters (ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate) until I see the spikes, and then everything coming down to a zero level. Then the tank is cycled. I would then ghost feed the tank for a week or two and keep testing the parameters to make sure everything stays at zero. Then I would add fish. But again, that's just me. Everyone does it different (some with greater success then others).
As far as filtration goes, I think along the same lines as Flower does (for the most part). A sump would be my first choice (so many benefits: Hides equipment, adds extra water volume, extra space to expand equipment later). Next would be a couple of big HOB power filters paired with a good HOB skimmer (or better yet a skimmer/ refugium combo HOB style). Last a canister filter paired with HOB skimmer.
If you are going the sump route, I am a big fan of DIY and keeping it basic (at least to start). You can pick up a tank for cheap, add one or two pieces of glass (baffles) to make two or three compartments. I like a skimmer section, refugium section, return pump section, with a little mechanical filtration for the water being drained into the sump (filter sock, or the like). In the refugium, I like plenty of macro algae's.
Here is a pic of a 29g sump I made for a future frag tank build I have going. The parts and material to make it cost under $100.00. It is pretty basic. but can work very well. It took about an hour to put it all together. I purchased a few things at a LFS/tank manufacturer (silicon, glass cut to size, and that gray media box {used for mechanical filtration, like a filter sock}).

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Here is another pic of one just like it all done.

The drawings show a skimmer and return pump (very crude drawings BTW, lol).
Here is a pic of my big 67g sump for my 125g system with all the bells and whistles.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
LOL..Sweatervest...Your sump looks so nice...the one I made for my 30g long was a mess..it worked and all, but I had silicone everywhere. I love the one Acrylic, Al&Burk and 2Quills ( + all the other help from members) built for me. IMO...making sumps is a work of art.
 

austin34

New Member
For 55 gallon the Quietflow Power Filter are recommended as it combines ultra-quiet operation, industry-high flow rate and enhanced filtration which are necessary for maintenance of aquarium.
 
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