6 Watts Per Gallon. What else to Add?

dburr

dburr

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Turn them back on, it is completly wrong to say they don't count. Completly.
If you want to see tanks with NO's, go to Garf. The one that ends in org.(sorry mods, delete if you must:rolleyes: )
Kistheeze is right about what she posted. Watts is watts. Yes MH has the punch from a sigle consentrated area to go to the depths of water. VHO and PC MAY penatrate slightly more than NO's. Slightly. Not enough to discount them by any means.
I like this analogy of watts rule; What will support a clam better. 175 watt MH over a 10 gallon tank or a 175 MH over a 30 gallon tank? EITHER. WATTS MEANS NOTHING IN THIS STATMENT. The same light of a body of water. 5' deep in water is the same no matter what size tank.
OK, i'm done.
 
viper_930

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VHO and PC MAY penatrate slightly more than NO's. Slightly. Not enough to discount them by any means.
I wasn't refering to how deep the NO bulbs penetrate. I was talking about their light intensity. NO bulbs (IMO, ok?) have a far less output power watt for watt than PC, VHO, T-5, and MH no matter how far deep they penetrate.
 
viper_930

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Ok, I've looked on Garf and see that she has kept and grown even sps on NO bulbs. My question now is, if it is that simple, why have I heard on this board that we need Mh or a lot of VHO for sps?
 
dburr

dburr

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Their SPS is only started in their tanks. They are moved after a few weeks to other tanks.
MH offers glitter lines, they are intense light lines that alot of people believe corals and clams need to thrive. Do you want growing corals or thriving corals? I want the latter. But it's not easy.:)
I know you weren't talking penatration, but, it almost goes hand in hand with output power, doesn't it? I think 6 NO bulbs is like 2 PC in intensity, IMO. So why would you not count it?
But when all is said, MH for SPS and clams.:yes: That is the best route to go.
Dan
 
viper_930

viper_930

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Originally posted by dburr
I know you weren't talking penatration, but, it almost goes hand in hand with output power, doesn't it? I think 6 NO bulbs is like 2 PC in intensity, IMO. So why would you not count it?
I was just refering to Euphoria's situation, not to everybody's. Stating that you have 340 watts isn't the right thing to do, because they are 260 watts of PC + 80 watts of NO, different light output powers with PC being more powerful. So I meant that the NO shouldn't be just combined like that because it is not as powerful as PC lights, and there were already so much more PC than NO.
 
golfish

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Originally posted by dburr
Their SPS is only started in their tanks. They are moved after a few weeks to other tanks.

Dan,
I know what they claim. I'm just wondering if anybody has seen it in person.
 
golfish

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I ask because I have read about people stopping by their shop in Idaho and not being allowed in.
 
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spsaddict

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Originally posted by ViPeR_930
I was just refering to Euphoria's situation, not to everybody's. Stating that you have 340 watts isn't the right thing to do, because they are 260 watts of PC + 80 watts of NO, different light output powers with PC being more powerful. So I meant that the NO shouldn't be just combined like that because it is not as powerful as PC lights, and there were already so much more PC than NO.
wel i see you didnt listen to a word i said earlier, cuz your spewing the same stuff...
80w of no will make a difference.. and added light will. it might not penetrate to the bottom, but what about corals a few inches underneth the surface?
your saying no shouldnt be combined with pcs is just like saying vho/pc shouldnt be combined with mh, cuz the intensity is different...
boy:rolleyes:
 
viper_930

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I didn't say you shouldn't combine them on the tank. I said you should combine them when saying the total watts, because they aren't the same thing. I know that is probably will add light, but IMO it isn't worth it when it blocks some light from the PC's above it and the NO bulbs do not produce much usable light energy from what I have learned here. I know what you guys are talking about, you keep saying it over and over again. You guys have misunderstood what I have said a few times. I can see that I am not explaining it very clearly, but I know what I am talking about. It doesn't matter what lights Euphoria puts over her tank to me, I just am here to give advice on what I think is good.
I'm done here, you guys seem to have it under control. :rolleyes:
 
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okay now im getting upset... you told euphoria that the 80w DONT count... or do i need to quote you.i think i do!.. ALL watts count!!!!! granted you were right they are not as intense.. but they will help...
[QUOTE/] Origonally Posted by ViPeR_930[i/]
then they don't even put out enough light for their watts to be counted, so you'd just have the 260 watts of pc[B/] [QUOTE/]
enough said...
 
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spsaddict

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im in agreement that they are a bulb that is not recomended, but in any situation added light helps!
 
viper_930

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Before today, I have always thought that NO bulbs only put out barely enough light to let maybe some shrooms and zoos just survive. I guess they can do more than that, huh? My bad.
I agree that any more added light would help, but Euphoria said that the NO bulbs are mounted below the PC bulbs. That would block light from the PC bulbs down to the tank, wouldn't it?
 
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spsaddict

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Originally posted by ViPeR_930
Before today, I have always thought that NO bulbs only put out barely enough light to let maybe some shrooms and zoos just survive. I guess they can do more than that, huh? My bad.
we never said that, dont try to make a pun on our words.. noone in this thread said they did more... we are just rebuting to your reply that i posted a few posts ago. donty go and get all devensive.. education is a great thing..:D im think you think they are mounted like directly below them or something.. light does bounce... thats what reflectors are for.( and no im not saying this person has reflectors)...
 
viper_930

viper_930

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I know you guys didn't say it, but I went on garf to see like dburr said to do and saw that she very successfully can grow sps on just NO bulbs. She posted pictures of the growth and it stunned me on how much there was.
 
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spsaddict

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Originally posted by dburr
Their SPS is only started in their tanks. They are moved after a few weeks to other tanks.

like he said
 
viper_930

viper_930

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Originally posted by spsaddict
like he said
:confused: I don't get it :confused: At the page that I saw on Garf with the sps with no bulbs, they had 2 pictures. The first showed small frags, the second showed the same things but they have grown. Above the picture they said that they were grown with only NO bulbs. Can I post a link to it, is Garf links allowed on here?
 
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