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Originally Posted by
Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385899/7-weeks-hypo-and-still-ick/40#post_3395214
okay.... I think something got lost or forgotten in the post. there were not "multiple" spots. Just one or two, and they were big. Nothing like the MICU I had. 1 or 2 BIG pimple spots. I did not see any on the fins like normal just the side. I never knew for ich, or read anywhere where the parasite left scars in the tissue. (look at the sides below). And yes.... He had not had anything to eat yet hense the piched belly,, T.R. poited that out Lol... he eats very well and often.
Most of the time he has only had a couple of spots at a time, but altoghter there have been close to a dozen spots (guessing here), one time there was about 5 at the same time.
From what I can tell from a magnifying glass and a quick moving tang, there isn't anything out of the norm around the gills. Also I haven't seen any scratching since about week 2 of hypo.
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385899/7-weeks-hypo-and-still-ick/40#post_3395306
I am not sure what copper treatment does to lympho, but I am starting to wonder, from descriptions, if it could be a case of that?
Our trusty local fish guy seems to think it could by lympho also, but it doesn't quite match the description he is giving us. I couldn't find any pictures that look like it either or what early stages of lympho looks like. I have never seen any "cluster" like white areas that commonly are associated with lympho. (although not always) One post I found someone had a description of something that sounded just like our YT, everyone who commented seemed to think that it was lympho but the pictures were to old to view and there was never a conclusion posted. When we first got the tang there was one spot on the fin that I thought looked like lympho but cleared up right away and haven't seen anymore on the fins. None of the pictures I have seen so far have what looks to be a BB under the fishes skin, but maybe it is just difficult to see in pictures. I know it doesn't show up in our pictures.
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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385899/7-weeks-hypo-and-still-ick/20#post_3395183
1. it helps to properly identify the ailment. If your treating for ich, when some other malaise is present you're wasting time and fish lives.
r />2. If your performing hypo OR copper, and several weeks into the process you see A RECOURRANCE of ich and positivly identify it as so - WTF are you supposed to do - piss in the qtine tank? pray? I had a full ich comeback on my last qtine batch that had been in hypo for 3 weeks. and daily, i was seeing MORE not less, so I combined copper with the hypo. Majically, it did not kill my fish, and the navarchus angle AND orange shoulder tang AND blenny AND others survived. This was not the first time in the decade i've been doing this, that during the first treatment regimine, the parasite returned, requiring combining methods.
3. I can post links to articles that say just the opposite of what this character has calimed in the quote that you posted. That combining or "double whammy" approach is SOMETIMES required to do the trick, when ONE tratment alone either fails, OR allows a return of the parasite. Opinions are like noses, everyones got one and some are bigger than others.
4. I guess you have to make a choice, in the end. Allow the fish to die due to ich or velvet, which is a very high probablity, OR try combonations of treatment methods, AFTER SOME INTERNET RESEARCH - and at least try to save the fishes life. But in the end - do what you want, it's your money .
I realize it helps to properly identify the ailment....that is exactly what I have been trying to do! I've been searching the internet as well and haven't found anything that is exactly like what we have.
I did the copper and hypo together because you recommened it and I trust the advice you have given me. I've had no problem combining the two methods. I just wasn't fully sure if you were aware of what the YT symptoms were and how they have changed. I certainly am not putting down your recommendations and hope I haven't insulted you in anyway, that was not my intention. Many years ago I realized that things in this hobby do not always make sense, what works for one person may not work for someone else. Also things that should never work, sometimes do.
This isn't about money.........when I entered this hobby I took on the responsiblity to keep my fish as healthy as possible. That includes new purchases as well as my current inhabitants. If it were about money, the fish would have been long gone and replaced. I'm just very frustrated and really getting tired of it, I would like to find the most effective treatment and get it done. So much for patience is a virtue....that's flying out the door about now.
