A question for mboswell1982

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by Hammerhed7
http:///forum/post/2880071
another reason bio wheels and bio balls are considered "nitrate factories" is the due to the fact the there is such a high concentration of oxygen that huge numbers of bacteria can colonize a smaller are. This bacteria will process waste at an incredibly fast rate, they will also produce the end product of the process (nitrate) just as fast. These types of filters are fine for fresh water and fowlr, but I would not use them in a reef. A good skimmer will also help as it will remove organics before they need to be processed by the filter. These filters are not the unspeakable evil alot of people make them out to be, bacteria colonies will only produce what is there, and most nitrate problems can be traced to overfeeding rather than the filtration method.
The only time I would recommend a bio-wheel filter for a reef is in a Nano tank my reasoning being your fish to denitrification would be such that they may balance out less fish producing less waste to be processed by your live rock and sand bed

 

[locoyo386]

Originally Posted by Hammerhed7
http:///forum/post/2880071
another reason bio wheels and bio balls are considered "nitrate factories" is the due to the fact the there is such a high concentration of oxygen that huge numbers of bacteria can colonize a smaller are. This bacteria will process waste at an incredibly fast rate, they will also produce the end product of the process (nitrate) just as fast. These types of filters are fine for fresh water and fowlr, but I would not use them in a reef. A good skimmer will also help as it will remove organics before they need to be processed by the filter. These filters are not the unspeakable evil alot of people make them out to be, bacteria colonies will only produce what is there, and most nitrate problems can be traced to overfeeding rather than the filtration method.
HI there,
In a fish tank waste comes from fish's bioload and the food they do not eat, correct? In a biowheel filter there are two to three forms of filtration. The water gets sucked into the filter then goes through the sponge. If the sponge has carbon on it, than this is the second filtration. Than it passes trough the biowheel, which is the third form of filtration. Im not quite sure as to the type of waste (amonia, food remains) that are present in a saltwater fish tank. If you could explain how this type of filter works, and what type of waste is removed as the water passes through I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[florida joe]

Mechanical Filtration
Mechanical filtration is simply a method of straining out unsightly solids from the aquarium water. As the water passes through, the mechanical media physically trap and remove solids like plant debris, uneaten fish food, and fish waste from the water column. Mechanical filtration does not alter the water chemistry but merely removes solids from the water for a cleaner, clearer appearance.
Bio Filtration
Biological filtration involves a series of natural processes in which toxic ammonia is broken down by beneficial bacteria into less toxic components. Nitrites and Nitrates
Chemical Filtration
Chemical filtration is the process of removing unwanted materials through chemical reactions. Chemical filtration helps remove a variety of impurities in the aquarium, including copper, chlorine, dissolved proteins, medications, discolorations

 

[locoyo386]

Mechanical Filtration (sponge?)
Mechanical filtration is simply a method of straining out unsightly solids from the aquarium water. As the water passes through, the mechanical media physically trap and remove solids like plant debris, uneaten fish food, and fish waste from the water column. Mechanical filtration does not alter the water chemistry but merely removes solids from the water for a cleaner, clearer appearance.(ok. uneaten food, fish waste, what type of fish waste(solids?, liquids?)
Bio Filtration(biowheel?, live rock?, live sand?)
Biological filtration involves a series of natural processes in which toxic ammonia is broken down by beneficial bacteria into less toxic components.(nitrification process?, cycling of tank?)
Chemical Filtration(???)
Chemical filtration is the process of removing unwanted materials through chemical reactions. Chemical filtration helps remove a variety of impurities in the aquarium, including copper, chlorine, dissolved proteins, medications, discolorations[/QUOTE](copper and chlorine done by RO?, dissolved protein? by skimmer?, medication done by carbon filter?)
I think I am understanding the process better.
On Bio Filtration;
The live rock and biowheel (in this case) serve as media to allow benificial bacteria t live on right? If true, does live sand do the same? This neneficial bacteria breaks down the amonia into nitrites, correct? If so where does the beneficial bacteria that breaks down nitrites into nitrates live? Oronce the amonia goes to zero, so do that type of bacteria? I wouls imagine not, since amonia will still be present in the tank. There has to be bacteria that continously breaks down amonia into nitrites in order for amonia readings to be very very close to zero right? Same thing from nitrites to nitrates, right? If this beneficial bacteria lives on the biowheel or the live rock (or live sand), would the process be the same? If so then the biowheel as well as the live rock (and live sand) would be where the nitrates are formed (nitrate traps). If so, how does the biowheel differ from live rock (and live sand) other than possibly having a bigger surface for beneficial bacteria to grow on?
On chemichal filtration;
Can you explain this proccess furhter?

 

[locoyo386]

By the way;
I love the involvement of mboswll1982.
I am really thankfull for all of you who are teaching me this hobby in a better way than I had already understood it.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/2882010
Mechanical Filtration (sponge?)
Mechanical filtration is simply a method of straining out unsightly solids from the aquarium water. As the water passes through, the mechanical media physically trap and remove solids like plant debris, uneaten fish food, and fish waste from the water column. Mechanical filtration does not alter the water chemistry but merely removes solids from the water for a cleaner, clearer appearance.(ok. uneaten food, fish waste, what type of fish waste(solids?, liquids?)
Bio Filtration(biowheel?, live rock?, live sand?)
Biological filtration involves a series of natural processes in which toxic ammonia is broken down by beneficial bacteria into less toxic components.(nitrification process?, cycling of tank?)
Chemical Filtration(???)
Chemical filtration is the process of removing unwanted materials through chemical reactions. Chemical filtration helps remove a variety of impurities in the aquarium, including copper, chlorine, dissolved proteins, medications, discolorations
(copper and chlorine done by RO?, dissolved protein? by skimmer?, medication done by carbon filter?)
I think I am understanding the process better.
On Bio Filtration;
The live rock and biowheel (in this case) serve as media to allow benificial bacteria t live on right? If true, does live sand do the same? This neneficial bacteria breaks down the amonia into nitrites, correct? If so where does the beneficial bacteria that breaks down nitrites into nitrates live? Oronce the amonia goes to zero, so do that type of bacteria? I wouls imagine not, since amonia will still be present in the tank. There has to be bacteria that continously breaks down amonia into nitrites in order for amonia readings to be very very close to zero right? Same thing from nitrites to nitrates, right? If this beneficial bacteria lives on the biowheel or the live rock (or live sand), would the process be the same? If so then the biowheel as well as the live rock (and live sand) would be where the nitrates are formed (nitrate traps). If so, how does the biowheel differ from live rock (and live sand) other than possibly having a bigger surface for beneficial bacteria to grow on?
On chemichal filtration;
Can you explain this proccess furhter?
With all due respect chemical filtration is such a broad field that it would take me hours to post what I know about it and what I know can fit in a thimble. My suggestion is to read read and read some more

 

[locoyo386]

true ture,
Well thanks for your help, I will read, read, read and read somemore. After I am done reading I will read, read, read and read somemore.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/2882111
true ture,
Well thanks for your help, I will read, read, read and read somemore. After I am done reading I will read, read, read and read somemore.

Then get as specific as you can and I will give you my thoughts

 

[locoyo386]

Hi there florida joe,
That's ok I will figure it out by myself.
I was just trying to get down to the whole filtration process as to build my own filter media. I will take sometime but I will begin to understand the saltwater fsih hobby. Thanks again for your help.