Abortion...So here's your thread

[mie]

Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
I say do what you need to do and dont worry what others think. They are not living your life. But whatever your choice is, make sure it doesnt effect my pocket book. Pay for it if you have it. If you dont, dont make me pay for your mistake through my taxes. Dont worry about morals or ethical issues. Dont let those who bible beaters tell you whats right and wrong. You do what you have to do. I say I am all for it if it stays out of my finances.
Talk about not thinking outside the box.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
You know, that's actually not true. There are MILLIONS of acres of land that have never been lived in by an American.

Man you do live in a fantasy world. The only millions of acres of land in America you could live in are probably the Salt Flats, Death Valley, or West Texas. Sure it's available, but would you live there? Anything worth living on is either owned by the government, or some rich developer.

 

[clown boy]

I am not in a fantasy world. I have traveled the entire US.
There you said it:
Originally Posted by rudedog40
Anything worth living on is either owned by the government, or some rich developer.
So when the government thinks the world is overpopulated (which it isn't), it will be able to do something about it.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Pro Lifer's would argue killing a baby is living in the "dark ages". Arguing money over life=dark ages.
Slavery is a good point. 300 years ago it was the "law of the land". We as a society chose to go to war to protect the helpless and free a race of people who had a voice. How much more so should we fight for those that have no voice?

So you are saying we need to go to war over abortion? Oh that's right, you think the Iraq 'war' is a good idea. Them iraqis are invadin us as we speak.

Look, if you want to save every single fetus that may be aborted, go for it. Spend every second of your life and every penny you earn on the cause. Remember the earlier posts, there's over 1,600,000 unwanted pregnancies to be saved. The average cost to raise a child until they're 18 (let's not include college), is over $200,000 (that's probably a small estimate). Add up the zeros. That's over $32 billion EACH YEAR. Guess you're gonna have to give up the salt tank to fund that quest.

 

[clown boy]

...so it's better that they die. Right?

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
I am not in a fantasy world. I have traveled the entire US.
There you said it:So when the government thinks the world is overpopulated (which it isn't), it will be able to do something about it.

That ridiculous statement is even funnier than the last one you made. The GOVERNMENT will do something about overpopulation? You've got to be kidding. Actually they've already started by sending innocent people over to Iraq to fight a useless war. Bush managed to kill around 5000 good Americans so far with that effort. I know, we can not only reduce the population, but feed them as well! Ever see the movie Soylent Green?

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
...so it's better that they die. Right?

Uh, yes.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Uh, yes.
Well then, if that's the way you feel about death, then there is no point in continuing this debate with you. If I were to respond to you, I would only be repeating myself.
I am starting to feel the same way that fishyCPA does...

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by ruaround
of course youre not going to hear it here... cuz you have to read it...
doesnt swoons mean to be in ecstasy??? i dont get why you used that word there...
I've read the whole thing, every post, you're just wrong in saying in that. Shame!
Swoon means to be relevant to. Perhaps you should consider a more thorough dictionary.

 

[jonthefishguy]

I said it a long time ago that clownboy was just blowin stuff out of his ***. He makes no sense and the conversation never goes anywhere with him.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
So you are saying we need to go to war over abortion? Oh that's right, you think the Iraq 'war' is a good idea. Them iraqis are invadin us as we speak.

Look, if you want to save every single fetus that may be aborted, go for it. Spend every second of your life and every penny you earn on the cause. Remember the earlier posts, there's over 1,600,000 unwanted pregnancies to be saved. The average cost to raise a child until they're 18 (let's not include college), is over $200,000 (that's probably a small estimate). Add up the zeros. That's over $32 billion EACH YEAR. Guess you're gonna have to give up the salt tank to fund that quest.
Here's a more novel option; Hold people accountable for taking care of the children they conceive.

Abortion should not, in my opinion, be the way to address population control or the economy. Heck, if that is the case why stop at fetuses?
Rudedog, you've complained (multiple times) that you don't like my "tone" in posts regarding you. What tone, exactly, are you posting under in this thread towards me? It seems to me that you're flailing about trying to bring in any topic you can to inflame the debate with me and others.
If you still have issues with me feel free to pm me. Otherwise, settle down.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
I said it a long time ago that clownboy was just blowin stuff out of his ***. He makes no sense and the conversation never goes anywhere with him.
To be fair, he wasn't the one who posted false statistics...
Also remember using *** and other symbols to beat the spam filter is not allowed.
Keep it civil all, or move along.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
I said it a long time ago that clownboy was just blowin stuff out of his ***. He makes no sense and the conversation never goes anywhere with him.
I would respond to this......
..........but I think I'll let 1journeyman do it for me.

 

[clown boy]

oh, wow, he already did.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
For a pro lifer, and abortion is an abortion, isn't it? Could care less if it were only 1 person in 1.6 million that this happened to. It's the worst unwanted pregnancy any woman would want. If you or you significant other got pregnant in this situation, what would you do?
For me no, I'd be perfectly willing to allow abortions to raped individuals, as well as people with their lives in jepardy. And ban those of convinience. But like my whole point, that isn't what is in contention, if I as president proposed that bill, the baby killers would come from the hills to attack me. The problem with the "Rapist" senario is two fold one it really isn't what you are arguing. Because you want it legal for everyone no matter what the circumstance. And two represents a fraction of abortions carried out today.
Personally I don't know what my decision would be if my fiance was raped. That would be up in the air for me. But there is no doubt in my mind what I would think if I knocked her up and she got pregnant. To me, we have to be able to live with the results (positive or negative) of the decisions we make. whether it be to have unprotected

or pay the speeding ticket for street racing. Everything we do has results. And the sooner a person realises this and bases his actions accordingly the better person he will become.

 

[petjunkie]

I'm with jonthefishguy on this one, whether you like it or not women will get abortions, I for one would rather they do it safely, maybe they shouldn't be raising children anyways if they place such a low value on life. I don't believe it should be taken as a form of birth control, if you have more than one in your lifetime something is wrong with that picture. I use birth control because I don't want children, however because of certain laws I can't choose to be sterilized until I have at least two kids and are a certain age. How ridiculous is that?

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by petjunkie
I use birth control because I don't want children, however because of certain laws I can't choose to be sterilized until I have at least two kids and are a certain age. How ridiculous is that?
As ridiculous as the fact that you don't want children. Why would you not want any children? You can choose whether or not you want to answer that or not...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
Did you really expect this to be informative? Everyone has their own opinions, and nothing that anyone here says is going to change that. You can list pros and cons of not having an abortion and having an abortion, but it still comes down to a choice.
I can personally relate to jenny's story. Having a doctor tell you that a child may not live through delivery, and if they do, will remain in a vegetative state, then have that child walk, talk, go to school, then college, and do all sorts of other things will make you rethink ending that child's life.
Incase you could not tell from that little blip (about my sister) I am against abortion, except for some reason there was a risk to the mother, or child.
-Justin
no I didn't, but I would hope that instead of accusing people of bible thumping, calling a baby a parisite, or clownboy and his emotional harping. I might hear you know a legal discussion of Row vs Wade. Maybe a philosophical argument explaning logically why in the world we consider a fetus as expendable. Or instead of saying oh there is over crowding so we should abort. Explain why. This was a discussion of sound bites. Very little actual substance to either side. No one used statistics as to why we should or not. I proposed that most abortions were of convenience and instead of using numbers to refute my claim, I was accused of using bad numbers. This was an argument of ignorance.

 

[jonthefishguy]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
As ridiculous as the fact that you don't want children. ...

Oh no, dont even go there. This is where my blood will boil. I am one who WILL NEVER EVER have children and that isnt rediculous. To say that it is, shows just how you really think. It has been 17 yrs of me knowing that I did not want children and my feeling have not changed. I was married once and was very upfront about my feelings and after we got married, she wanted children...out the door she goes. I am not having it. I am married again and waited till I was old enough to have my surgery and now I have done something about not ever having children. DO NOT bash those of us who chose NOT to have offspring or you will find yourself in a HUGE argument. It is selfish of you to expect others to have children. If you want them you have them. We dont and wont......

 

[1journeyman]

I agree with ya Stdreb. As I posted earlier, the truth dies fairly quickly in heated debates such as these. Which is sad, because it allows people to dodge the very points you are raising.