Acclimating Live Rock.
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sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by nycbob
http:///forum/post/3078003
no need as long as temp and sg r within acceptacle range.
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
http:///forum/post/3078003
no need as long as temp and sg r within acceptacle range.
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/3078063
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
This depends on where you acquired your live rock ( i can see this may get good )
http:///forum/post/3078063
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
This depends on where you acquired your live rock ( i can see this may get good )
florida joe
Well-Known Member
why
mkroher
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3078229
why
umm... because if there's isn't enough food for the bacteria to feed on.. it'll die?
http:///forum/post/3078229
why
umm... because if there's isn't enough food for the bacteria to feed on.. it'll die?
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/3078063
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
Hi there,
When LR is quarintined, is it only for Ich? If not how would you QT'd a piece of LR if there is no fish to show symptoms. Do you QT LR only for life dependent parasites, meaning that we know how long a parasite can thus we keep the LR for that time pweriod? How do you know what else can be on the LR that can be introduced into the DT?
http:///forum/post/3078063
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
Hi there,
When LR is quarintined, is it only for Ich? If not how would you QT'd a piece of LR if there is no fish to show symptoms. Do you QT LR only for life dependent parasites, meaning that we know how long a parasite can thus we keep the LR for that time pweriod? How do you know what else can be on the LR that can be introduced into the DT?
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by mkroher
http:///forum/post/3078245
umm... because if there's isn't enough food for the bacteria to feed on.. it'll die?
Hi there,
How would you know if there is enough "food" for the new bacteria or not?
http:///forum/post/3078245
umm... because if there's isn't enough food for the bacteria to feed on.. it'll die?
Hi there,
How would you know if there is enough "food" for the new bacteria or not?
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by mkroher
http:///forum/post/3078219
I think adding too much live rock at one time would cause a die off and result in an ammonia spike.
I would add as few pieces at a time.
Hi there,
When you say "die off" do you mean bacteria or micro-organisms? If you mean bacteria, how does that create an ammonia spike?
http:///forum/post/3078219
I think adding too much live rock at one time would cause a die off and result in an ammonia spike.
I would add as few pieces at a time.
Hi there,
When you say "die off" do you mean bacteria or micro-organisms? If you mean bacteria, how does that create an ammonia spike?
mkroher
Member
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3078272
Hi there,
When you sy "die off" do you mean bacteria or micro-organisms? If you mean bacteria, how does that create an ammonia spike?
um... still thinking
http:///forum/post/3078272
Hi there,
When you sy "die off" do you mean bacteria or micro-organisms? If you mean bacteria, how does that create an ammonia spike?
um... still thinking
fishkid13
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/3078063
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
True, but what about the other things on the rock. Ex. Hitch hikers, good or bad. You would want to acclimate them to the QT or DT so they won't die? Right?
Originally Posted by mkroher
http:///forum/post/3078219
I think adding too much live rock at one time would cause a die off and result in an ammonia spike.
I would add as few pieces at a time.
Care to elebrate more on this?
Joe I thought I would hear more imput from you?
http:///forum/post/3078063
I agree. Don't forget to quarantine it. Remember that parasites can come in on rock almost as easily as on fish
True, but what about the other things on the rock. Ex. Hitch hikers, good or bad. You would want to acclimate them to the QT or DT so they won't die? Right?
Originally Posted by mkroher
http:///forum/post/3078219
I think adding too much live rock at one time would cause a die off and result in an ammonia spike.
I would add as few pieces at a time.
Care to elebrate more on this?
Joe I thought I would hear more imput from you?
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by fishkid13
http:///forum/post/3081212
So is that a yes or a no?
Considering what comes with the rock, I am inclined to say you don't have to acclimate the rock like fish are. QT might be better idea if you know there is something wrong with the water from were the rocks came from (Ich is what I look for mainly). As far as hitchhikers, there are some that you want and some that you might not want. It is personal preference, I do not acclimate the "live rock".
http:///forum/post/3081212
So is that a yes or a no?
Considering what comes with the rock, I am inclined to say you don't have to acclimate the rock like fish are. QT might be better idea if you know there is something wrong with the water from were the rocks came from (Ich is what I look for mainly). As far as hitchhikers, there are some that you want and some that you might not want. It is personal preference, I do not acclimate the "live rock".
xcali1985
Active Member
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3081444
Considering what comes with the rock, I am inclined to say you don't have to acclimate the rock like fish are. QT might be better idea if you know there is something wrong with the water from were the rocks came from (Ich is what I look for mainly). As far as hitchhikers, there are some that you want and some that you might not want. It is personal preference, I do not acclimate the "live rock".
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
http:///forum/post/3081444
Considering what comes with the rock, I am inclined to say you don't have to acclimate the rock like fish are. QT might be better idea if you know there is something wrong with the water from were the rocks came from (Ich is what I look for mainly). As far as hitchhikers, there are some that you want and some that you might not want. It is personal preference, I do not acclimate the "live rock".
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by Xcali1985
http:///forum/post/3081451
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
That makes complete sence to me, but I never buy online. The store also wraps them on paper and they do sometimes put a little water in the bag.
http:///forum/post/3081451
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
That makes complete sence to me, but I never buy online. The store also wraps them on paper and they do sometimes put a little water in the bag.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3078267
Hi there,
When LR is quarintined, is it only for Ich? If not how would you QT'd a piece of LR if there is no fish to show symptoms. Do you QT LR only for life dependent parasites, meaning that we know how long a parasite can thus we keep the LR for that time pweriod? How do you know what else can be on the LR that can be introduced into the DT?
You can get paraites such as velvet (nasty to have and get rid of) and ich from live rock. It may only host fish but it attatches to a calcarous surface to reproduce. It is likely to come in on the rock. While the rock is in QT you can watch it with a red light when the lights go out. If you have nasty hitchikers then you will find them during this time.
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3078270
Hi there,
How would you know if there is enough "food" for the new bacteria or not?
The bacteria feeds off of ammonia. If you have an ammonia source then the bacteria is fine.
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3078272
Hi there,
When you say "die off" do you mean bacteria or micro-organisms? If you mean bacteria, how does that create an ammonia spike?
The bacteria does not die off. Rock contains micro inverts and all kinds of life. If that life is out of water, does not have enough flow going to it, poor water contitions, etc... It will die, which is what "die off" is referring to.
Originally Posted by Xcali1985
http:///forum/post/3081451
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
You are right, it does not need to be acclimated. If it was shipped, or bought from the LFS that just got it in, then it does need to go into some kind of quarantine though. It was only damp in newspaper. There will be a lot of die off...among other things.
http:///forum/post/3078267
Hi there,
When LR is quarintined, is it only for Ich? If not how would you QT'd a piece of LR if there is no fish to show symptoms. Do you QT LR only for life dependent parasites, meaning that we know how long a parasite can thus we keep the LR for that time pweriod? How do you know what else can be on the LR that can be introduced into the DT?
You can get paraites such as velvet (nasty to have and get rid of) and ich from live rock. It may only host fish but it attatches to a calcarous surface to reproduce. It is likely to come in on the rock. While the rock is in QT you can watch it with a red light when the lights go out. If you have nasty hitchikers then you will find them during this time.
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3078270
Hi there,
How would you know if there is enough "food" for the new bacteria or not?
The bacteria feeds off of ammonia. If you have an ammonia source then the bacteria is fine.
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3078272
Hi there,
When you say "die off" do you mean bacteria or micro-organisms? If you mean bacteria, how does that create an ammonia spike?
The bacteria does not die off. Rock contains micro inverts and all kinds of life. If that life is out of water, does not have enough flow going to it, poor water contitions, etc... It will die, which is what "die off" is referring to.
Originally Posted by Xcali1985
http:///forum/post/3081451
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
You are right, it does not need to be acclimated. If it was shipped, or bought from the LFS that just got it in, then it does need to go into some kind of quarantine though. It was only damp in newspaper. There will be a lot of die off...among other things.
fishkid13
Active Member
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3081444
Considering what comes with the rock, I am inclined to say you don't have to acclimate the rock like fish are. QT might be better idea if you know there is something wrong with the water from were the rocks came from (Ich is what I look for mainly). As far as hitchhikers, there are some that you want and some that you might not want. It is personal preference, I do not acclimate the "live rock".
So if you would want these then you would want to acclimtate it so it doesn't die of shock. But then it goes to what is stated below by Xcali1985.
Originally Posted by Xcali1985
http:///forum/post/3081451
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
Very good point, but what if you made a custom order to have the rock shipped in water? So you would want to acclimate it if you went out the the way to have it shipped in water. Right?
If parasites come one live rock why don't we just set it out to 'die' instead of QT it?
http:///forum/post/3081444
Considering what comes with the rock, I am inclined to say you don't have to acclimate the rock like fish are. QT might be better idea if you know there is something wrong with the water from were the rocks came from (Ich is what I look for mainly). As far as hitchhikers, there are some that you want and some that you might not want. It is personal preference, I do not acclimate the "live rock".
So if you would want these then you would want to acclimtate it so it doesn't die of shock. But then it goes to what is stated below by Xcali1985.
Originally Posted by Xcali1985
http:///forum/post/3081451
The answer to this question is pretty obvious and if you have ever ordered live rock online or been at a LFS when they received their orders the answer would be as clear as this.
Take it out of the bag and put it in the tank, if you want to QT it fine. However, they ship it wrapped in wet newspaper. If it needed to be acclimated it would be shipped in water. I mean what are you going to do, submerge it in tank water a cup at a time, or by line drip?
Acclimate...NO
QT... Your Preference.
Very good point, but what if you made a custom order to have the rock shipped in water? So you would want to acclimate it if you went out the the way to have it shipped in water. Right?
If parasites come one live rock why don't we just set it out to 'die' instead of QT it?