adding all of the fish at once
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flower
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Originally Posted by alex2089 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3546987
i can probably get a lemon peel to substitute for the yellow tang
Hi,
Yes, the Lemonpeel dwarf angel is perfect for a 75g tank, they like lots of rock work to swim in and out of, they are active and are a drop dead beautiful yellow, with electric blue lining the gills, eyes and fins (my favorite fish can you tell?) They do need stable conditions and good water quality.
Get that book, there are some beautiful smaller fish that will be good for your tank, an orchid Dottyback or Royal Gramma (select one or the other, dottybacks and gramma's don't get along, they fight). The book has the picture of the fish and helpful info on it's care, they have a pocket one for inverts too. I have used those books for years.
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Originally Posted by alex2089 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3546987
i can probably get a lemon peel to substitute for the yellow tang
Hi,
Yes, the Lemonpeel dwarf angel is perfect for a 75g tank, they like lots of rock work to swim in and out of, they are active and are a drop dead beautiful yellow, with electric blue lining the gills, eyes and fins (my favorite fish can you tell?) They do need stable conditions and good water quality.
Get that book, there are some beautiful smaller fish that will be good for your tank, an orchid Dottyback or Royal Gramma (select one or the other, dottybacks and gramma's don't get along, they fight). The book has the picture of the fish and helpful info on it's care, they have a pocket one for inverts too. I have used those books for years.
another sample page...click on the image to make it larger.
alex2089
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First , thanks for the support . Second,will the bicolor anglefish and the lemon peel get along if introduced at the same time ?also what do you think about the whole tang crisis? Haveing 1 tang (powder blue) In the 75. it does sound bettar than 2 tangs (yellow tang and powder blue) in the system. Btw I will try to get my hands on that book
silverado61
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You won't be able to introduce them at the same time. The sudden increase in bioload will wreak havoc on your tank and among other things will cause stress which will create an ich outbreak and then you'll be right back to square one. They need to be quarantined separately anyway.
I'd just leave the tangs out of the picture till you decide to upgrade to a larger system. Grand idea. Just not a smart one.
Always learning.
I'd just leave the tangs out of the picture till you decide to upgrade to a larger system. Grand idea. Just not a smart one.
Always learning.
flower
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Originally Posted by alex2089 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547018
1 tang is going in, I'm solid about that. And it can be done
Hi,
It CAN be done, but it shouldn't be done...now I'm done, and moving on to a more productive thread... I wish you luck in your SW tank endeavors, and may you not turn out to be an askhole.
Originally Posted by alex2089 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547018
1 tang is going in, I'm solid about that. And it can be done
Hi,
It CAN be done, but it shouldn't be done...now I'm done, and moving on to a more productive thread... I wish you luck in your SW tank endeavors, and may you not turn out to be an askhole.
flower
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Originally Posted by silverado61 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547017
You won't be able to introduce them at the same time. The sudden increase in bioload will wreak havoc on your tank and among other things will cause stress which will create an ich outbreak and then you'll be right back to square one. They need to be quarantined separately anyway.
I'd just leave the tangs out of the picture till you decide to upgrade to a larger system. Grand idea. Just not a smart one.
Always learning.
Hi, Stress does not cause an ich outbreak, ich is a parasite critter that must be introduced into the system, a stressed out fish is just more susceptible to it.
Originally Posted by silverado61 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547017
You won't be able to introduce them at the same time. The sudden increase in bioload will wreak havoc on your tank and among other things will cause stress which will create an ich outbreak and then you'll be right back to square one. They need to be quarantined separately anyway.
I'd just leave the tangs out of the picture till you decide to upgrade to a larger system. Grand idea. Just not a smart one.
Always learning.
Hi, Stress does not cause an ich outbreak, ich is a parasite critter that must be introduced into the system, a stressed out fish is just more susceptible to it.
silverado61
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You won't be able to introduce them at the same time. The sudden increase in bioload will wreak havoc on your tank and among other things will cause stress which will create an ich outbreak and then you'll be right back to square one. They need to be quarantined separately anyway.
I'd just leave the tangs out of the picture till you decide to upgrade to a larger system. Grand idea. Just not a smart one.
Always learning.
Hi, Stress does not cause an ich outbreak, ich is a parasite critter that must be introduced into the system, a stressed out fish is just more susceptible to it.
You won't be able to introduce them at the same time. The sudden increase in bioload will wreak havoc on your tank and among other things will cause stress which will create an ich outbreak and then you'll be right back to square one. They need to be quarantined separately anyway.
I'd just leave the tangs out of the picture till you decide to upgrade to a larger system. Grand idea. Just not a smart one.
Always learning.
Hi, Stress does not cause an ich outbreak, ich is a parasite critter that must be introduced into the system, a stressed out fish is just more susceptible to it.
That's kind of what I meant. The stress weakens their immune system and makes them more susceptible to the parasite. Just worded it a little wrong is all.
flower
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Originally Posted by jay0705 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547035
Should have said w healthy fish it can not take hold
Hi,
On the subject of ich, the parasite must first be present, and not all tanks are infected. Every new fish is stressed just from the move from the store to your house. A new arrival is also stressful on the established tank mates, because the battle for territory is fresh with the new addition looking for their space. That means that if you add a sick fish with infected water...all fish are at risk. The only real solution is to quarantine all new fish, and make sure it's parasite and disease free before adding it to the display.
Originally Posted by jay0705 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547035
Should have said w healthy fish it can not take hold
Hi,
On the subject of ich, the parasite must first be present, and not all tanks are infected. Every new fish is stressed just from the move from the store to your house. A new arrival is also stressful on the established tank mates, because the battle for territory is fresh with the new addition looking for their space. That means that if you add a sick fish with infected water...all fish are at risk. The only real solution is to quarantine all new fish, and make sure it's parasite and disease free before adding it to the display.
pegasus
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You can put a tang in a goldfish bowl, but it's not going to be happy. Tangs are grazers, and they need lots of space and lots of live rock to find the algae they need to stay healthy. If you crowd a tang into a tank smaller than 100 gallons, it's going to be miserable, and most likely make everyone around it miserable as well. Personally, I wouldn't put a tang in anything less than 125 gallons. If you want something similar to a tang, I recommend one of the dwarf angelfish. Those can be housed in 55 gallons or larger. The people that are trying to talk you out of putting a tang in that tank are people who have knowledge of what works and doesn't work. Listen to them. The guy at the store is trying to sell you fish, and when those fish die, he will try to sell you more. I know 75 gallons seems like a lot of tank, but in reality, it isn't. You will fill that tank to capacity in no time. The larger the fish you put in a tank, the fewer fish it will support. I recommend you stock a variety of smaller, colorful fish instead of two or three large fish. My 125 gallon tank has a 30 gallon refugium, which gives me a total water volume of roughly 140 gallons. Not 155 gallons, because rocks and sand displace about 10-15 gallons of water. In 140 gallons of water, I am able to sustain 14 fish... one fish per 10 gallons. In reality, it's actually figures around one inch of fish per 5 gallon. Cleanup inverts like snails, crabs, and sea stars also add into the equation. Saltwater fish can be territorial, so they need their space. The more space each fish has, the happier they will be.
pegasus
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Originally Posted by jay0705 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547034
Lol to add fuel to the fire, some people believe ich is generally present but w healthy fish it can take hold.its just w weak(stressed) fish it takes hold than it increases is numbers and can attack all fish. Not saying this is true I have seen it written tho
The Ick parasite has a lifespan of about two weeks without a host. This time begins once it has detached from the fish, finished reproducing, and is searching for a new host. If you haven't seen any sign of Ick on your fish in several weeks, then your tank is completely Ick-free. Many new fish carry Ick because they've been exposed to the parasite while in a large distributer's holding tank. They are usually in the LFS or online vendor's website shortly afterwards, and are usually in these places for only a few days at most, and the fish may still carry the Trophont stage if Ick. Even if the Trophont detaches from the fish during shipping, the Tomont (free swimming) stage is just as dangerous for your tank's inhabitants. Thus the need for quarantine, and why you should NEVER put shipping water in your tank.
Originally Posted by jay0705 http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547034
Lol to add fuel to the fire, some people believe ich is generally present but w healthy fish it can take hold.its just w weak(stressed) fish it takes hold than it increases is numbers and can attack all fish. Not saying this is true I have seen it written tho
The Ick parasite has a lifespan of about two weeks without a host. This time begins once it has detached from the fish, finished reproducing, and is searching for a new host. If you haven't seen any sign of Ick on your fish in several weeks, then your tank is completely Ick-free. Many new fish carry Ick because they've been exposed to the parasite while in a large distributer's holding tank. They are usually in the LFS or online vendor's website shortly afterwards, and are usually in these places for only a few days at most, and the fish may still carry the Trophont stage if Ick. Even if the Trophont detaches from the fish during shipping, the Tomont (free swimming) stage is just as dangerous for your tank's inhabitants. Thus the need for quarantine, and why you should NEVER put shipping water in your tank.
pegasus
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I wish there was an LFS close to me where I could observe a fish for a week or two, but I don't have that luxury. 30 miles to the nearest one, and stuff doesn't sit in the tanks very long there. Like you, even if I could observe them in the tank there, they'd still get quarantined just to make sure they're parasite and disease free. It's better to be safe than sorry. It's a lot easier to treat a QT than a DT.
flower
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Originally Posted by Pegasus http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547063
I wish there was an LFS close to me where I could observe a fish for a week or two, but I don't have that luxury. 30 miles to the nearest one, and stuff doesn't sit in the tanks very long there. Like you, even if I could observe them in the tank there, they'd still get quarantined just to make sure they're parasite and disease free. It's better to be safe than sorry. It's a lot easier to treat a QT than a DT.
Hi,
I always want fish that the LFS doesn't carry anyway, and so I order online. I agree, better safe then sorry...quarantine those new fish!
Originally Posted by Pegasus http:///t/397786/adding-all-of-the-fish-at-once/20#post_3547063
I wish there was an LFS close to me where I could observe a fish for a week or two, but I don't have that luxury. 30 miles to the nearest one, and stuff doesn't sit in the tanks very long there. Like you, even if I could observe them in the tank there, they'd still get quarantined just to make sure they're parasite and disease free. It's better to be safe than sorry. It's a lot easier to treat a QT than a DT.
Hi,
I always want fish that the LFS doesn't carry anyway, and so I order online. I agree, better safe then sorry...quarantine those new fish!