adult emperor has lymph

[flamehawk]

Now that we all determined that what he has is lymph., should I put him in the main display since it is not contagious , is untreatable, and it seems to be under control and actually getting a bit better? He's been the 30 g. Q tank for almost 2 months(since 1-21-03). He's behaving normally and eating well. Been in hypo since 2-8. He would get the same vitamin enriched food and water quality if moved to 125 display?? In the 125 are 3 tangs( sohal, yellow and hippo) and 2 hawks. Opinions??

 

[beth]

Yep, put him back.

 

[flamehawk]

Please keep in mind that he is a new addition. He's never been in the 125 w/ the tangs before. He's likely to encounter some stress as he acclimates w/ new tank mates...thus the question. I'm inclined to agree that it's probably best to go ahead and get him settled in his new permanent home.
Thanks Beth, anyone else?

 

[beth]

Feed him well before he goes in, then turn lights out in the display when introducing him. Keep the lights out for 12 hrs, but with some house lights filtering into the tank. Not pitch dark, in other words.

 

[flamehawk]

Beth and Terry- He now seems to be breathing a bit unusual. By that I mean only one gill seems to be going up and down while the other stays down. His lymph now seems to be getting a bit worse. I don't know if he's always breathed this way or I just noticed. He would never leave any left over nori on a clip but did so as ther was some on the clip this morning. He ate mysis shrimp this morning but not w/ the same verociousness and excitement as before. He seems to be a bit more listless and less active. He's still in Q tank and as you know has been there quite a while. Slinity is up to about 1.015 and I plan to get it up to 1.020 tonight with water change. Advice? Should I treat? If so with what?

 

[flamehawk]

Getting concerned. Will perform large water change. He seems to also be hovering abit more towards the surface of the water. Still eating ok.Water circulation is very good with whisper 2 and seaclone P/S. Lots of surface exchange. Still only one gill going up and down as he breaths. Need some help here.

 

[flamehawk]

Thanks Terry. Just started treatment w/ nitrof. After 3-5 days if it appears that he is now breathing normally, should I still dip in formulin? If so what is the dose recommended and how long should the dip be?

 

[flamehawk]

After 24 hours he actually looks a bit worse. The "spots" look rather hard and seem to ne moving towards lessions of some sort. He still only breathing out of one gill. The good part is that he still has hardy appetite. Lets wait a bit longer to see if this works. Fingers crossed.

 

[flamehawk]

He has started to breath out of both gills. They seem to be pumping close to even now. Need to keep him in for another 3 days to ensure that's taken care of...right?
In any event the spots are now rather noticeable bumps on both sides. Bumps are somewhat elongated and the larger ones are about 1/8 inch long. They still seem to have a white puffy small tip of white on top of some of the growth. Some are beginning to show signs of moving to a lession type sore. He's eating well, still rather active although not as much as when he first arrived. I have him in salinity of about 1.012 after having him @ 1.008-09. for many weeks. Water movement being supplied by poerhead and whisper w/ no carbon. He's fed all foods( brine, mysis, angel form,. spectrum, nori) soaked in garlic, selcon and zoe. AS I'm typing he's looking right at me begging for food.
Besides these lession type sores/bumps, he seems very normal today....????

 

[flamehawk]

Today marks 2 1/2 days in nitrof. He continues to breath from both gills. The bumps/sores on both sides are not getting any better. I also noticed over the last couple of days that he cocasionally physically shimmies or shakes. Don't know if this helps.
Will wait another 2 1/2 days as suggested.
Thanks Terry...you've been great. Fingers crossed all turns out well.

 

[flamehawk]

I'm really perplexed today.
Got up early this morning and noticed that the left gill was abnormally "popped out "away from the skin. This is the gill which had/has the problem. I say had/has because when the gill went back to it's normal position, it stopped pumping . We are back to where we were...right gill ok, left gill not pumping. Bumps/sores are still not improving. I'm beginning to believe that he just has a bum right gill, kind of a birth defect. I unfortunately did not notice if he had a left gill problem when I brought him home 2 months ago. This is awfully confusing and if I might add rather frustrating. So to re-cap current status: still eating, still occasionally shimmering/shaking, bumps/sores are status guo, left gill is no longer pertruding and is actually back to normal position but not pumping, .....I guess I have one sick fish.
Please refer to post above for status yesterday.
DOn't know what to do next...waiting for more guidance. Thanks.

 

[flamehawk]

Well I'm done with the 7 day treatment of marycin 2. He seems to be ok in the gill department for now. His bumps/sores are still around and not getting any better. What should I do? Keep in mind that he was in hypo for a long time and that didn't do the trick. Nitrof. and Marycin didn't work for sores/bumps either. COuld it be viral? fungal? Confused??

 

[flamehawk]

BY formulin dip do you mean bath for 45minutes? I suppose you would use the same tank water in a well aerated container or bucket. Please confirm how much formulin and for how long.
I'm familiar w/ beta glucan and will also give that a try.
Thanks.

 

[flamehawk]

I think I'll wait a couple of days to give him a break. He's been under some treatment regiman for the better part of almost 3 months. He's still eating well but it's got to be wearing on him.
20 drops a gallon seems like allot based on how toxic I've heard formulin is but of course I will follow your instructions. Hope one day this poor guy can make it to the display tank. I'm kind of on a mission to cure him. I guess we all are....Thanks.

 

[flamehawk]

Performed the 45 minute dip last night. It appears to have made quite a difference. The bump/sores appears to ahev really improved. What's left are signs of "open" sores. If over the next few days , the sores truly prove to be open sores, will further formulin dips be harmful? Again I understand that formulin is pretty toxic and my fear w/b that it would penetrate inside and "poison" him.
As I look @ him , he's definately gotten better from it. Thanks.

 

[beth]

This is very interesting, considering the long process we have gone thru with this fish.
If this fish heals up completely, and the formalin did the trick, I'd like to hear your take on what the problem ultimately was Terry.
Formalin dips should really only be given every other day anyway, so letting the wounds heal up a bit before considering another dip should be fine.

 

[flamehawk]

Decided to go ahead w/ another formulin dip last night . He looks ok this morning although a bit stressed during the dip last night. I'm inclined to not do another dip as suggested earlier. Some of the sores become more open after the dip and the other sores are still evident although better then before the first treatment. I'm going to see if the 2 dips did the trick and wait for the sores to now heal thouroughly. Do you guys agree w/ this approach? If not I'll change my approach. Thanks.
Beth- agree it's been a long haul. Thanks to Terry, you and JWT for hanging in there. I regret not documeting entire process along w/ pictures so we could have learned form this....but I guess we can compare notes and recollections once he's 100% cured! thanks again.

 

[flamehawk]

started beta glucan tonight. Stuff is not cheap. In any event hoping for the best. Thanks.

 

[flamehawk]

Update- He still has bumps. The openess of the sores seems to be healing. The sores that are healing also seem to be scaring. Unfortunate since he was at one time quite beautiful.
I'm not sure he will ever be 100% cured. Quite mysterious and exasperating process.
A sincere thanks for the assistance and sticking through the process. What to do next ( when to add if ever to the display, further attempts at treatment, etc.) I suppose will be dictated by how he progresses..Will have to eventually decide if it is too risky to put in display...and then what??? decissions... decisions.
With no other significant developments, I'll let this thread fade....it's been going on long enough.
Thanks.

 

[fishtanker]

nice thread